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Re: Review - laj - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 01:46 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Review complete. Get Clarkson.He's a good chance of coaching a spoon side that has underachieved. Might tell you something. We have been down this road before with gun coaches who were getting passed it.
Re: Review - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:20 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Until we have a professionally run club that is united from top to toe and stable, this cycle will continue to repeat. If Teague gets chopped, he would have been in the job 2 1/2 years. That's following on from Bolton (3 1/2, sacked mid season) and Malthouse (2 1/2, sacked mid season). That's disgraceful behaviour.Fair points... We know though the temptation of Clarko will be too much for our board...
The Nth loss was probably the worst outcome for Teague and the results now don't matter..
Re: Review - laj - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:22 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Fair points... We know though the temptation of Clarko will be too much for our board...
The Nth loss was probably the worst outcome for Teague and the results now don't matter..
Wonder what they think if we win the next 2 as we will likely sit in the 8.
Re: Review - Baggers - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:20 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Until we have a professionally run club that is united from top to toe and stable, this cycle will continue to repeat. If Teague gets chopped, he would have been in the job 2 1/2 years. That's following on from Bolton (3 1/2, sacked mid season) and Malthouse (2 1/2, sacked mid season). That's disgraceful behaviour.
A new dawn has to start sometime... perhaps it is this year. We can hope.
Re: Review - laj - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:20 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Until we have a professionally run club that is united from top to toe and stable, this cycle will continue to repeat. If Teague gets chopped, he would have been in the job 2 1/2 years. That's following on from Bolton (3 1/2, sacked mid season) and Malthouse (2 1/2, sacked mid season). That's disgraceful behaviour.
Unfortunately results under Bolton and Mick were awful. Few wins, embarrassing hidings. Our culture and motivation is terrible but you couldn't run with that. We've had nothing like that right now, as frustrating as it has been. We have been a very competitive team, on the scoreboard at least, even if some of the on field efforts have left a bit to be desired. Could end up a Ratten to Malthouse type handover, thinking we had something better, which we have regretted ever since.
Re: Review - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:25 AM)laj link Wrote:Wonder what they think if we win the next 2 as we will likely sit in the 8.Dont think it will matter, reckon the decision will have been made and lets be honest we all know these big player/coach deals get done months in advance and its been a bit of masquerade IMO with this review.
Ratten had his coach killer game and now Teague has had is IMO, I wouldnt sack him but I cant see Sayers/Liddle letting the likes of Clarko slip through their fingers if they get the opportunity to nab him...
Re: Review - PaulP - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:30 AM)Baggers link Wrote:A new dawn has to start sometime... perhaps it is this year. We can hope.
That may be true, but professional organisations do not and should not be run like that.
I've never worked in the corporate world, so I can't say I really understand the corporate mindset - is this an extension of the trophy mindset ? Trophy home, trophy wife, trophy player, trophy coach ? If not, then I can only assume that these are people stuck in an atomistic, mechanistic mindset -the best players plus the best coach plus the best facilities etc. equals success. Well that's wrong. Modern science has made it clear that relationships between things are where it's at. Which is why other clubs have success and we thrash around looking for Peter Perfect.
Re: Review - LP - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:50 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Which is why other clubs have success and we thrash around looking for Peter Perfect.I agree with you 100%, but you know why even if that is true I'd expect that the outcome won't change, just like circumstance didn't help Ratten.
Re: Review - PaulP - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:55 AM)LP link Wrote:I agree with you 100%, but you know why even if that is true I'd expect that the outcome won't change, just like circumstance didn't help Ratten.
I agree. That the club will chase Clarkson hard is practically a foregone conclusion. It's really whether :
a. Clarkson wants to coach, and
b. whether he wants to coach us.
Neither of which seem very clear at this point.
Re: Review - PaulP - 07-30-2021
(07-30-2021, 02:30 AM)laj link Wrote:Unfortunately results under Bolton and Mick were awful. Few wins, embarrassing hidings. Our culture and motivation is terrible but you couldn't run with that. We've had nothing like that right now, as frustrating as it has been. We have been a very competitive team, on the scoreboard at least, even if some of the on field efforts have left a bit to be desired. Could end up a Ratten to Malthouse type handover, thinking we had something better, which we have regretted ever since.
Results under a particular coach are about a lot more than just the coach's ability. It's not even remotely possible that we keep picking coaches with no ability. The various ideas thrown around (this coach is motivated by the wrong things, that coach is out of his depth, the game has passed him by, lost the fire in the belly etc.) have, when it comes to Carlton, all been discredited.
When judging our last 20 years, you can't pick and choose which coach sacking / hiring decisions are correct and which are not, based on whether or not you like the guy in charge. Teague's results are better because the conditions around him are better (Bolton did all the donkey work plus more list stability under Teague, plus better players, plus players who were too young under Bolts are starting to hit their peak) etc. The expectations on Teague were higher because the conditions around him improved.
As an aside, you'd really have to suspect the club is full of inbreeders when the two coaches who have had any kind of "success" are ex players.