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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Lods - 11-28-2021

A question or two for those who have studied this a bit.

Once a new variant becomes dominant does that  eventually mean that the previous strain dies out.
How many folks still get the Alpha strain these days.
Will the Omicron mean the demise of Delta?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 11-28-2021

(11-27-2021, 09:13 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Stockpiling isn't the right word, but this one has clearly been chosen (out of how many, literally thousands of mutations/variants?) to be the next go to scare everyone thing.

Commentary out of SA suggests it causes only mild illness....though there will be outliers of course.

“So far we’ve seen very mild cases… I’m not sure why everyone is up in arms.”

Angelique Coetzee, chair of the South African Medical Association.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1464678499193700352

Why cant there be a new variant that doesn't involve a conspiracy Fly ?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-28-2021

(11-28-2021, 01:57 AM)Lods date Wrote:A question or two for those who have studied this a bit.

Once a new variant becomes dominant does that  eventually mean that the previous strain dies out.
How many folks still get the Alpha strain these days.
Will the Omicron mean the demise of Delta?
[member=906]Lods[/member]

It's not that the other strains disappear, it's just that the newer faster spreading strains are more dominant, and as the first in can lead to some immunity/resistance against the other strains. They basically compete to occupy the same space.

So far Omicrons concern isn't that it's more deadly, the main issue is that previous Sars-CoV-2 infections offer zero immunity to it.

Vaccine efficacy against Omicron is not yet known because the areas most affected by Omicron have very low vaccine uptake due to short supplies. Something the WHO warned the world about when Western Governments started booster vaccines rather than sharing the resource. We aren't safe until we are all safe, a fact vaccine deniers ignore!

Omicron is shown to mutate very aggressively / quickly, as such it's a potential source of new strains.

While that might not be an issue for people who are mildly affected, people with vulnerabilities and long COVID symptoms could be in severe strife! It's a chook raffle, there are those who think it's OK to spin the big wheel, I suppose they also think The Hunger Games or Soylent Green might be our real future!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-28-2021

(11-28-2021, 02:11 AM)northernblue date Wrote:Why cant there be a new variant that doesn't involve a conspiracy Fly ?
[member=39]northernblue[/member]

Apparently you are the conspiracy eater, and "they" are the oracles of truth!

Who knows, a few hundred more variants and they might find one that is vulnerable to Ivermectin, then you'll be in trouble because they were right all along. They just knew it! Smile

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Perhaps you need to book some time with the Oracle, so you can see the truth,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uAXtO5dMqEI
There is no virus, it's you that infects! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 11-28-2021

(11-28-2021, 01:24 AM)Mav link Wrote:Yes, we should have let it rip until the most dangerous variant emerged - no lockdowns, no masks, no social distancing . Then when we were confident Covid could get no worse, we should have waited for the scientists to come up with a vaccine or treatment for it. That's best epidemiological practice right there. 

No just didn't need to ostracise everyone and force people who were hesitant into getting vaccinated of fear of being a social outcast.

Look at Liam Jones as an example.  Not even a pre season complete and its going to be irrelevant whether he got vaccinated or not but he's had to retire, leave us with a gaping hole in defense and he's missing out on 400k etdtimated at minimum.

No one has been victorious in that scenario.

Keep in mind im double vaxxed and im going for my booster Jan 6th.

Why?  I work in a hospital and my risk profile is different to average Joe.


The measures, fine.  The vaccines fine.  The vaccine mandate and draconian response?  Not fine.  No where near fine. A massive issue, and one that has guaranteed that if there is another vaccine required a bigger portion are going to skip it irrespective of vaccine mandates. 

The noise in the city is growing larger not smaller.

You guys are too arrogant thinking you know better.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Macca37 - 11-28-2021

(11-28-2021, 10:59 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:No just didn't need to ostracise everyone and force people who were hesitant into getting vaccinated of fear of being a social outcast.

Look at Liam Jones as an example.  Not even a pre season complete and its going to be irrelevant whether he got vaccinated or not but he's had to retire, leave us with a gaping hole in defense and he's missing out on 400k etdtimated at minimum.

No one has been victorious in that scenario.

Keep in mind im double vaxxed and im going for my booster Jan 6th.

Why?  I work in a hospital and my risk profile is different to average Joe.


The measures, fine.  The vaccines fine.  The vaccine mandate and draconian response?  Not fine.  No where near fine. A massive issue, and one that has guaranteed that if there is another vaccine required a bigger portion are going to skip it irrespective of vaccine mandates. 

The noise in the city is growing larger not smaller.

You guys are too arrogant thinking you know better.

Do you really believe that if a further vaccine shot is required the removal of mandates will result in fewer people skipping their jab than if mandates are retained?  If so, where is the proof either in Australia or worldwide?

Unlike you, I do not believe that people who hold views different from mine are either arrogant or know better.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-28-2021

Israel have locked their international borders with only one case of the new variant, I think now we have to presume that any new arrival from another country is a potentially carrying the new strain whether they have been anywhere near Africa or not.
Not enough information at this stage to panic but just be more careful...our old friend Dr/Nurse John Campbell gave his latest analysis....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdkCVeWc1pQ

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 11-28-2021

Get you ar$e into gear Morrison.  NO MORE inbound flights that pick up South African passengers.  You Duckhead !!!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 11-28-2021

No, he’ll just dither around until the states take the bull by the horns and then talk about “keeping people safe” and complain about the economic damage the states are doing and then at the next election he’ll go back to talking about keeping people safe again…

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-28-2021

(11-28-2021, 09:18 PM)capcom date Wrote:Get you ar$e into gear Morrison.  NO MORE inbound flights that pick up South African passengers.  You Duckhead !!!
It's probably too late, it's already in at least a dozen countries outside of Africa, some of which we have an already established travel bubble like Singapore, in any case it looks like stopping travel either domestic or international doesn't really help much. It may change the when and even that is debatable, but it has no effect on the if!

There are already cases popping up in regions that have zero direct contact with Sth Africa, that means it was already circulating weeks ago as globally they only test a small percentage of cases!

The biggest influence you can have is social distancing, mask use and limiting gatherings. But if there is no public will to adhere to these guidelines then that is a massive problem, because it's just a paper trail and has little meaning.

It's interesting to observe, I have 1st hand contact with several dissenting objectors, they object to the masks, they object to the vaccines, they don't believe COVID is serious and object to the restrictions. But both got vaccinated and wore masks when COVID got close to home! Both stopped breaking the rules. The irony is this, the minute they were in the clear they went back to objecting, they can't help it, it is what they do, they are slaves to the conspiracy meme!

If you think the proposed laws were draconian, you might be seeing a whole new level in coming weeks and months simply because people won't adhere, and the money is running out!

I feel sorry for the health workers, they are the road kill resulting from the wilful disobedience.

I notice today there is a proposal to raise the Medicare levies for unvaccinated, what use is that if most of the wilful dissenters are already on welfare? The politicians have no idea what to do, all they can do is make new laws on pieces of paper, they seem unable to follow the science!