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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-17-2021

(11-17-2021, 09:27 PM)Mav date Wrote:Yay, a new vaccine is entering trials. This one trains a type of white blood cell, T-cells, to kill the virus as soon as it infects any cells.

A "T-cell priming" vaccine could provide better COVID-19 immunity than mRNA vaccines, Salon.

Until safety and efficacy is proven, these things are all pipe dreams.

They design / theorise all sorts of stuff In Silico, but despite being based on real world chemistry and physics much of it is closer to science fiction than science fact. After they sort out how to actually make it, not trivial and in some cases even impossible, going to In Vitro is the next step, and if it's safe then it is probably to animal trials before In Situ / Vivo trials. The whole process can take decades.

Much of the vaccines currently in use were already in development or use decades ago, that is why they became available so fast. That's were the anti-vax claims about "new" and "unproven" are bullshizen, even the newest of the set the mRNA vaccines, those techniques have been in trial and development since the early 2000s!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-18-2021

The article says it is about to enter a small-scale clinical trial, so it must already have succeeded in preclinical trials. The first patient will receive it in Jan 2022. The control group of 13 will receive placebos, while the other group of 13 will receive the vaccine. Interesting to read that the vaccine group will receive varying doses, which suggests they're trying to speed up the trial process by blending Phase 1 & 2.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-18-2021

(11-18-2021, 12:07 AM)Mav date Wrote:The article says it is about to enter a small-scale clinical trial, so it must already have succeeded in preclinical trials. The first patient will receive it in Jan 2022. The control group of 13 will receive placebos, while the other group of 13 will receive the vaccine. Interesting to read that the vaccine group will receive varying doses, which suggests they're trying to speed up the trial process by blending Phase 1 & 2.

Good then, but any claims or suggestions of a technology being safer are vastly overstated.

Really, the current vaccines are not that much more risky than having a bare needle inserted, so it is very hard to see how any new technology can be significantly or substantially better and that applies to Novavax as well!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-18-2021

I understand why you would be concerned that promotion of new vaccines might undermine confidence in those that exist already. But the silver lining of the pandemic is that it has accelerated medical science in the way that wars have accelerated technology. The British were still flying biplanes at the start of WWII and by the end of the war they had jets. We've fast-forwarded through a decade of normal research into coronaviruses. It'll be interesting to see whether this ends up giving us better ways of suppressing the flu, for instance.

Stories like this are also a bit of an antidote to the pessimism of those who say that Covid will manage to evade vaccines, so why put your eggs in the vaccine basket. Yes, Covid may well mutate so that existing vaccines struggle to fight it (although recent articles suggest that there's reason to think Covid may find it hard to improve on Delta), but they can be tweaked or replaced by new vaccines or treatments.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-18-2021

Nurses in NSW now have to prove they caught CoVid at work to receive any compensation, thats probably part of the reason that 20000 Nurses quit the job this year and gave up their registration. Why bust your Ar$e saving lives, risking your life and working double shifts for peanuts when no one gives a feck about your health, this country has some serious problems with the standard of government and the lack of common sense being shown.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-18-2021

I'm sure this video will be of interest to fans and non fans of Ivermectin....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufy2AweXRkc

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 11-18-2021

(11-18-2021, 05:56 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Nurses in NSW now have to prove they caught CoVid at work to receive any compensation, thats probably part of the reason that 20000 Nurses quit the job this year and gave up their registration. Why bust your Ar$e saving lives, risking your life and working double shifts for peanuts when no one gives a feck about your health, this country has some serious problems with the standard of government and the lack of common sense being shown.

Talk about spitting chips over that stupid decision !!! 20,000 nurses is even worse EB ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 11-18-2021

According to Kylie Ward, the CEO of the Australian College of Nursing, around 20,000 nurses leave the profession every year. That's a 5% churn rate; high, but not unexpected in a high-pressure, low-reward workforce.

The vaccine mandate has resulted in less than 1% of the nursing workforce leaving the profession.

One of my family members is a nurse and he's thriving in the current environment. I guess it takes all types as well as individual employment arrangements.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-18-2021

Only in America ... apparently, anti-vaxxers who vaccinate because of vaccine mandates are trying to return to their unvaccinated state by bathing in borax etc. It would be a sneaky way to get the anti-vaxxers to vaccinate: amplify the conspiracy theory that vaccination can be reversed so anti-vaxxers can have their cake and eat it too. Sadly, the "vaccine reversal process" isn't entirely without risks, so doing this would be a tad unethical.

Quote:Bad science has an unsettling tendency to lead to hazardous consequences, as indicated by people willingly scrubbing themselves with a chemical that can lead to nausea, diarrhea, weakness, drowsiness, headaches and convulsions. Other supposed vaccine removal techniques include practices like cupping, an ancient medical method that involves creating suction on the skin; slicing up the injection site with a razor to remove the vaccine contents; trying to use syringes to "remove" an injection; and anything that can plausibly fit under the trending hashtag #vaccinedetox.

Anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists say you can "reverse" vaccines with Borax, Salon.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-19-2021

(11-18-2021, 12:10 PM)DJC link Wrote:According to Kylie Ward, the CEO of the Australian College of Nursing, around 20,000 nurses leave the profession every year. That's a 5% churn rate; high, but not unexpected in a high-pressure, low-reward workforce.

The vaccine mandate has resulted in less than 1% of the nursing workforce leaving the profession.

One of my family members is a nurse and he's thriving in the current environment. I guess it takes all types as well as individual employment arrangements.

Over 12000 jobs for nurses in Aus vacant, the problem with those 20000 leaving is you need the breakdown of who they are and what they do ie if they are ICU and ER for example then you wont be getting the replacements from the Grad sector.
I keep hearing all this BS about getting Nurses from the UK to fill the gaps here in Aus, this is where people not involved in the health care sector have no idea as there are around 37000 vacancies in the UK for Nurses so its a worldwide problem.
Its no secret in the industry either that agencies send non specialist agency nurses to fill specialist Nursing positions just to get the business and its because they just dont have those extra qualified nurses on their books.