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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 11-14-2021

They've already started boosters at work.

6 months after your second jab you can your third.

Im due jan 6th.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-15-2021

For those who think the vaccine mandate over here is over the top, Austria has announced that it will impose a lockdown of the unvaccinated aged 12 upwards when 30% of ICU beds are taken by Covid patients. The unvaccinated will then be allowed outside only for limited reasons. Austria only has a vaccination rate of 65%. By the way, Austria is controlled by conservatives (the senior partner in a power-sharing arrangement).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-15-2021

Even our alleged "World Record Lockdown" is a really a bogus description, compared to the lockdowns in some regions ours was a "Clayton's Lockdown!"

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-15-2021

The anti-lockdown protesters must look at Eastern Europe and fantasise about what they could have achieved in Australia if they'd been more successful:
As COVID-19 Surges In Eastern Europe, Leaders Slow To Act, Huffpost.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 11-15-2021

(11-14-2021, 09:46 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:They've already started boosters at work.

6 months after your second jab you can your third.

Im due jan 6th.

16 Jan for me Thry.

I'm not entirely happy about getting Pfizer as the booster.  I know that mixing vaccinations is meant to be more effective but I know that I won't have side effects from AZ.  Still, the chances of severe side effects from Pfizer are pretty slim.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 11-15-2021

(11-15-2021, 06:22 AM)DJC link Wrote:16 Jan for me Thry.

I'm not entirely happy about getting Pfizer as the booster.  I know that mixing vaccinations is meant to be more effective but I know that I won't have side effects from AZ.  Still, the chances of severe side effects from Pfizer are pretty slim.

Id rather have AZ next time around, but we are being given 0 option.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-16-2021

Call me a cynic, simplistic or whatever you like,

[table][tr][td][/td]
[td][/td]
[td]Vaccinated[/td]
[td]Unvaccinated[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]1[/td]
[td]Population (Approx)[/td]
[td]80%[/td]
[td]20%[/td]
[/tr]
[tr][td]2[/td]
[td]In Hospital COVID related (Approx)[/td]
[td]5%[/td]
[td]95%[/td]
[/tr]
[/table]

Why don't the row 1 percentages match the row 2 percentages?

If the vaccines and masks do not work or are unsafe shouldn't there be at least proportional representation in hospitals, but instead of the unvaccinated being 1 case out of every 5 hospitalisations, it seems unvaccinated are approximately 19 out of every 20 hospitalisations!

Ignoring this sort of fundamental characteristic of the pandemic, so as to arrive at some weird and complex conclusion, seems to be a common trait of COVID denial and vaccine hesitancy!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-16-2021

I don't get the publicly stated desire for Novavax, or the seemingly unfounded belief it will be somehow safer with less side-effects than the current alternatives.

For that matter I don't get the underlying belief that "treatments or cures" are also safer with less side-effects, certainly that is not the case with snake-oil like Ivermectin whether it works on not!

On Novavax, here in Australia the Novavax trials showed most have only mild to moderate side effects, with a small percentage experiencing some serious acute side effects, But the total participants in both trials was only 1500 people.

Given Pfizer or AZ serious acute side-effects occur at the rate of 1 per 100000 people, the confidence in Novavax being better is greatly overstated, because if only 1 out of 1500 people got a serious acute side-effect during the Novavax trial, that scales to 66 per 100000! :o

The biggest formally reported trial of Novavax so far has been about 40000 people, still far too small to judge an equivalence.

I'll be pleasantly gobsmacked if Novavax is significantly better, it would probably have to be the safest vaccine in history to improve on the others!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-16-2021

(11-16-2021, 12:59 AM)LP link Wrote:I don't get the publicly stated desire for Novavax, or the seemingly unfounded belief it will be somehow safer with less side-effects than the current alternatives.

For that matter I don't get the underlying belief that "treatments or cures" are also safer with less side-effects, certainly that is not the case with snake-oil like Ivermectin whether it works on not!

On Novavax, here in Australia the Novavax trials showed most have only mild to moderate side effects, with a small percentage experiencing some serious acute side effects, But the total participants in both trials was only 1500 people.

Given Pfizer or AZ serious acute side-effects occur at the rate of 1 per 100000 people, the confidence in Novavax being better is greatly overstated, because if only 1 out of 1500 people got a serious acute side-effect during the Novavax trial, that scales to 66 per 100000! :o

The biggest formally reported trial of Novavax so far has been about 40000 people, still far too small to judge an equivalence.

I'll be pleasantly gobsmacked if Novavax is significantly better, it would probably have to be the safest vaccine in history to improve on the others!
Novavax has been adopted by Indonesia and that will be a very decent trial sample.....my daughters MIL who has severe medical issues was advised no AZ or Pfizer/Moderna by her specialists but both said Novavax was ok for her if and when it arrives so it does have some support in the medical community.
As I said before they are also leading the way in a combo vaccine that is being trialled here in Aus on the quiet and in a few other countries for the 50-70 year old age groups.
Supporters of AZ seem a tad concerned about Novavax for some strange reason and maybe see it as taking decent market share if they can get their production issues sorted.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-16-2021

(11-16-2021, 01:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Novavax has been adopted by Indonesia and that will be a very decent trial sample.....
Sputnik, Sinovax, CoronaVac, Covaxin, AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J and others have already issued about 3.2 Billion doses. I doubt any of them have much to fear, because it's highly unlikely Novavax exits any large scale roll out unscathed.

I'm quite cynical because the Novavax push appears to me to be more profit orientated than science based.

For reference, because they are selling vaccines for profit Novavax, Pfizer and Moderna are about 400% more expensive on average to the end user than AZ, Sinovax, Sputnik, Covaxin, etc., etc...

From a manufacturing perspective, it might be harder to make a mRNA hybrid (Influenza / Sars-CoV-2) vaccine, than it will be to formulate the same in viral vector(AZ) or protein sub-units(Novavax). I suspect in terms of Sars-CoV-2 it would be the mRNA vaccines that might lose out longer term.

PS: About 90% of vaccinations in Indonesia to date are Sinovax / CoronaVac, Indonesia they are not a big player in mRNA or Viral Vector. I wonder if the Indonesia Novavax push part of getting in on Australia's obligation under Covax to donate millions of doses of vaccine, whatever that vaccine may be? It feels like the sort of deal Scomo might do for some nuclear sub support in return!