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Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 08-11-2024
The first person who should front up to the CEO and President tomorrow morning, is the Head of Football. Been a problem for years.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - madbluboy - 08-11-2024
It didn't even look like we were trying.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 08:19 AM)Baggers link Wrote:The first person who should front up to the CEO and President tomorrow morning, is the Head of Football. Been a problem for years.
Yep, was lucky to keep his job last year (and/or the year before??)
Time to go now.
Cmon Cook, time to dig out the roledex and find us someone worthy to fill the role.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Professer E - 08-11-2024
Who is it currently?
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - pinot - 08-11-2024
We played in a Prelim last year but we had Doc, Cerra, TDK, Martin, Cottrell in good form fit and healthy.
Walshy is out of form he is that line breaking goal kicking mid and is a good one at that.. healthiest and strongest list that have been together for a while win flags enter Geelong and Collingwood.. we are almost there just need better luck or better management to improve the health of players so the team can build cohesion.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 07:59 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:We actually did ok in the hitouts and stoppages where it was even in the main, our troubles came when the ball was in open play where we fooled around with it too much, turned it over and ended up chasing tail and getting caught by the harder working Hawks on the overlap and eventually we stopped chasing and then ran out of gas completely when the bench was so depleted.
Didnt see Pittonet as a bad player and I thought he broke even with Meek who has been dominating, both he and the maligned often dropped, often made sub Kennedy can hold their heads up as players who fought it out imo.
re: Voss....normally Id question his tactics and lacks of moves but I thought we were out worked and were happy to play a non physical keepings off game where we couldnt generate enough run to penetrate the Hawks defense but took the easy short kick in an arc around the 50m mark racking up stats but going nowhere apart from when Cripps tried to do too much out of frustration and barge his way through their defense.
Lot of talk about Russell but there needs to be more talk about the list management and composition of the list and lack of depth.
A lot of these injury prone players were injury prone when they were recruited and thats where the mistakes where made....
The midfield needs an overhaul and while you always need contested players we need contested players with pace and who kick goals......
As far as depth went we had a bucketful injuries this year and still managed to sit 2nd. Depth is ok. The problem is this constant barrage of injuries had been happening for years. Not just this year or this game Russell's been there for 6 of them. It's no coincidence that 4 of the last 5 years we have a shot at the 8 earlier, on a shot at a flag this year, as you are when you 2nd for so long, then crash in a heap games out. As happens when with injuries you run out of fitness at the end of a long year. More disappointing given we were a genuine threat 6 weeks ago. Who saw this when we sat 2nd then kicked 8.4 in the first qtr against GWS.
Stings more this year as we had such hope.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 08:46 AM)laj link Wrote:As far as depth went we had a bucketful injuries this year and still managed to sit 2nd. Depth is ok. The problem is this constant barrage of injuries had been happening for years. Not just this year or this game Russell's been there for 6 of them. It's no coincidence that 4 of the last 5 years we have a shot at the 8 earlier, on a shot at a flag this year, as you are when you 2nd for so long, then crash in a heap games out. As happens when with injuries you run out of fitness at the end of a long year. More disappointing given we were a genuine threat 6 weeks ago. Who saw this when we sat 2nd then kicked 8.4 in the first qtr against GWS.Injuries for sure but Id question effort today and in some of our other losses, plus Im not sold on our list as far as depth....zero key position depth apart from a kid(Lemmey) who hasnt shown a lot and Young whose form has tapered like Joe Bidens memory.
Stings more this year as we had such hope.
Too many winger types imo and then we have the much talked about continual injury prone section of the list who are contantly unavailable and leave you with a huge hole every year and then I read we are going to recruit another injury prone slow undersized 3rd tall defender in Nick Haynes, we can give him Marchbanks number/locker and bed in the medical room because thats where he will spend most of his time....we are slow learners.
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - JonDorotich - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 08:32 AM)pinot link Wrote:We played in a Prelim last year but we had Doc, Cerra, TDK, Martin, Cottrell in good form fit and healthy.
Walshy is out of form he is that line breaking goal kicking mid and is a good one at that.. healthiest and strongest list that have been together for a while win flags enter Geelong and Collingwood.. we are almost there just need better luck or better management to improve the health of players so the team can build cohesion.
Unfortunately we’re not almost there
We simply can’t rely on the availability of marchbank, docherty, McGovern, Williams, Cunningham, Martin, with serious question marks emerging over Cerra, Boyd, C Durdin and Saad.
It would be delusional to think that you can compete, whilst consistently having at least 6 players drawing a starting 22 wage but spending a majority of their year in the stands - at least 4 have to go, period. Then you’ve got the list cloggers like Fantasia, Young, S Durdin etc on top.
Whilst we’re carrying 6-10 injury prone players and 4-5 list cloggers nowhere near AFL standard we’ll remain in the wilderness.
Obviously the big issue is that most of those injury prone players have no currency so it’s back to the AFL draft lottery or drafting VFL types, which is risky. It seems that we’ll need a combination of delistings and trading 1-2 players with currency to get something back.
It all feels like a long term project which is depressing
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 08-11-2024
(08-11-2024, 08:31 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Who is it currently?https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1492166/brad-lloyd
Re: AFL Rd 22 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 08-11-2024
I flew out for Europe on the 29th June after we handed out consecutive 10 goal floggings sitting pretty in second, I thought life was good. I returned last night to watch us capitulate out of the 8 today (We have gone LLWLLL).
I can't see us winning the next two, if you had have told me on the 1st of July we would miss the 8 I would have laughed in your face.
I dont know what else to say, I cannot understand or pinpoint what has gone wrong, perhaps last year was indeed as good as it gets for the this group.
There needs to be a clean out of blokes who cannot stay out on the park (we all know who they are) and replace them with anyone with a pulse and who can play more than 1 in a row.