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Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - laj - 05-18-2024
(05-17-2024, 01:24 PM)pinot link Wrote:It has been a tough run for sure but two rucks and three small forwards taking run run away from the middle has been a miserable failure and needs to take ownership. I wont trust the guy with this list if he doesn't.
That's what we had last year when we were killing it. We won 15 from 17 at one stage across the 2 seasons, so can't be too bad. Difference missing Martin, Motlop and Fogarty up forward. Durdin and Fantasia isn't quite the same.
So might be something else. Last night was attitude and effort. Maybe mentally the affect of a 5th consecutive blockbuster with half a side. Dunno. Previous 4 games we went 2-2 against the best with half a side out.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - laj - 05-18-2024
(05-17-2024, 10:47 PM)pinot link Wrote:Well we are definitely not a top four side. At least six other teams have better cohesion and understanding between the lines.Suppose the Swans supporters said that after Richmond beat them too. With most of our personnel, of course we are a top 4 side.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 12:38 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Really liked Vossy's media conference. No excuses. Nailed the reasons - connection and lack of pro-activeness. He slammed shut the door on injuries as an excuse. Good.I like what I heard from Voss, he knows what the problems are and wasnt offering excuses.....the Swans stepped up the pressure and we couldnt go with them and if your midfield is being overwhelmed then its hard for your defense to stem the flow especially on a one kick to the goal square ground like the SCG.
I've banged on about being the hunters -- a mindset -- and that was low, except for the backline... most of them go hard and strong. The rest tried hard; lots of effort but confident, mongrel intensity was just not there... the kind of intensity needed to intimidate the opposition. The Bluebagger spirit evaporated last night. It wasn't us out there.
I felt for the backline... little defensive intensity from most of the mids. Midfield/forward line connection - non-existent... get your acts together relevant coaches - you are failing to instill ruthless intensity at the contest into your charges. As for the game-day strategic coach - obviously went home at qtr time once the Fluffy Ducks countered his strategies.
Easily broken tackles, dropped marks, looking tired... how can that be with not even half the season played? When that uncompromising determination is missing between the lugholes, you look slow, tired, inconsistent and lacking spirit.
Disappointed? Yep. Giving up on going deep into September? Not even a little bit. 100% confidence in Vossy... and Sammy. Perhaps some other coaches are letting down Vossy and the players. These coaches received some pretty damning feedback from the Fluffy Ducks. Leadership?
I would probably like to see a bit more innovative thinking when we are being swamped like in the 3rd quarter, its fine leaving all the pieces where they are when the game is close and backing your players in to win the day but when the opposition are all over you its time to make some serious changes and move the magnets like Collingwood under McRae do well to get back into games.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-18-2024
For me our main problem is headspace, in the 2nd quarter the Swans up the pressure and our fumbles and hesitation set in, which means we lose time and space and it becomes a feedback loop.
I didn't have an issue with the team and selection other than I think Fantasia has been given too many chances already, when he gets the chop he won't have grounds to complain.
I thought we matched up pretty well against Sydney, and I think the 1st Qtr showed that, afterwards our problems were caused by panic and fumbling. Partly it might be an issue of too many lightweights not willing to wear contact, but perhaps they are being coached that way.
Of our smalls only Owies is prepared to head into heavy traffic, Durdin and Fantasia hardly make contact hunting the footy, although Durdin does chase and tackle he's not as fast as I had hoped. But to carry all three of Fantasia, Owies and Durdin we need them all channelling Papley and Boyd and be willing to get inside and do some of the dirt moving, otherwise we end up down a man in contests all over the deck.
On the umpires, the only thing I say is two massive clangers again, BigH should have been given a 50m, not making excuses for his miss but he should have been on the goal line, and Boyd's penalty for grabbing the footy was ludicrous when a player is basically trying to kick it out of his hands. It is not footy to be kicking it off the ground, it needs to be a focus of the AFL officials to put an end to it. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - PaulP - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 04:59 AM)LP link Wrote:.............................................................................. That incident is a main reason I do not want to see prior opportunity removed, it's not football, if fans want to go see that sort of game go and watch soccer instead! I'd be happy to ban kicking off the ground altogether!
I'd have to agree. It is a hard game to umpire, and different interpretations are no doubt frustrating, but as more and more teams follow the Richmond model and keep the ball moving forward at all costs, mostly by kicking off the deck, tap ons etc., the game just loses something IMO. It becomes in a way, uglier.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - PaulP - 05-18-2024
I'll be curious to see if any Carlton players get Coaches' votes.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - madbluboy - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 05:39 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'll be curious to see if any Carlton players get Coaches' votes.
Newman had a big game.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - tonyo - 05-18-2024
I have been saying for several years now, we have virtually no pace through the midfield. Until we address that deficit, we will consistently get done on turnover and out of the middle.
And we simply do not tackle enough, at least not effectively.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - PaulP - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 05:43 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Newman had a big game.
I guess he might scrape in a vote or two. I thought Pittonet and Acres were ok-ish, but it was a pretty dark day all round, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney - cookie2 - 05-18-2024
(05-18-2024, 05:47 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I guess he might scrape in a vote or two. I thought Pittonet and Acres were ok-ish, but it was a pretty dark day all round, and we shouldn't sugarcoat it IMO.Agree. We were outclassed pure and simple, whatever were the causes or reasons.