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Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 04:26 AM)Mav date Wrote:It was a win-win for Carlton and Sydney. Talking to Sydney fans, they aren’t sooking that Hewett left. They want to see Warner developed in the midfield as they see him as the next big thing. In that sense, Hewett was a list clogger. Apart from that issue, whether because of their midfield setup or a lack of imagination, the Swans played him as a lockdown tagger and Hewett obviously felt that he had more to offer.Yes, they might be re-writing history a little there. As you highlight he hardly spent time in the midfield, but when he did he was as good as any. I remember a game against the Dees when he and Newman dominated, the season before Newman moved to us. But like Newman before him, Hewett got side-lined in the Swans midfield pecking order.
Newman moved to us to become a serviceable defender, and Hewett is a rolled gold midfielder / utility.
But I still assert, in our current midfield the sum is greater than the parts, they have a genuine footy chemistry going, because of that if they stick together they have serious opportunities coming their way!
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Mav - 07-11-2022
But that’s the thing: Hewett complements our other mids but maybe that wasn’t going to happen in Sydney as they developed younger mids. A similar thing was true of Brodie at Gold Coast. He’s a very capable in-and-under at Freo but what sort of opportunity could he have been given at Gold Coast when Matt Rowell was always going to given that role? Playing too many in-and-unders slows you down too much and you end up losing the ability to burst away from packs, rack up uncontested possessions and the defensive pressure the midfield applies drops. It would have been the same outcome at Carlton if we had taken Brodie in the draft. Playing both Brodie and Cripps at centre square bounces wouldn’t have been ideal. So it’s not whether a player is worthy in absolute terms, it’s whether he fits into your game plan.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Micky0 - 07-11-2022
Yea, friends with a Swans diehard who was filthy at the club for letting Hewett go.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Lods - 07-11-2022
I'm not sure if either of these have been mentioned but there were a couple of little moments that gave me an indication that this is a real 'team' who acknowledge the good and console the not so good.
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One was when Curnow kicked a goal after a good bit of lead-up (chase and kick) from McKay.
As McKay came to embrace him Curnow pointed at him as if to say this is the bloke responsible for that goal.
The other was when Cripps made a bad blue and Jack gave him a quick talking and encouragement probably saying something along the lines of.... "Don't worry lets, get on with it."
We used to worry about leadership.
We don't need to worry anymore.
We have it on every line.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 01:42 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I liked Saads game and it shows why is he is such a good footballer that he could sacrifice his own game to concentrate on defending the likes of the dangerous Ryan and Rioli.Yes indeed, its amazing how the inclusion of key a defender completely changes the both structures and roles. I felt it Weiters inclusion to be "The General" released Doc more than past weeks to provide run and delivery which allowed Saad to stay at home and lock down on a fwd.
Been value for dollar has Saad which is more than I can say for a few other notable signings and if the AA panel dont select him in the final 22 then they dont have a clue...
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 07:57 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm not sure if either of these have been mentioned but there were a couple of little moments that gave me an indication that this is a real 'team' who acknowledge the good and console the not so good.Yep. 2 very good examples there.
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One was when Curnow kicked a goal after a good bit of lead-up (chase and kick) fro McKay.
As McKay came to embrace him Curnow pointed at him as if to say this is the bloke responsible for that goal.
The other was when Cripps made a bad blue and Jack gave him a quick talking and encouragement probably saying something along the lines of.... "Don't worry lets, get on with it."
We used to worry about leadership.
We don't need to worry anymore.
We have it on every line.
It highlights 2 things to me.
1. The importance put on rewarding those who give effort with acknowledgement of such things. Why would you bust your butt to do the team things if nobody notices? Point it out, highlight it, and players will do it again and again.
2. Nobody, not even the captain is above criticism and/or in need of picking up. One in all in.
There was also another moment, this one by the commentators that i liked.
It was in reference to Cripps and Walsh and the Batman and Robin tag thats been used for them. Basically saying "we don't know if its batman and robin, or robin and batman. It should be Lennon + McCartney as they are both elite.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - cookie2 - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 02:11 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:He did help us out with a few turnovers and non chases so we probably owed him.....
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Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 07:57 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm not sure if either of these have been mentioned but there were a couple of little moments that gave me an indication that this is a real 'team' who acknowledge the good and console the not so good.
,
One was when Curnow kicked a goal after a good bit of lead-up (chase and kick) from McKay.
As McKay came to embrace him Curnow pointed at him as if to say this is the bloke responsible for that goal.
The other was when Cripps made a bad blue and Jack gave him a quick talking and encouragement probably saying something along the lines of.... "Don't worry lets, get on with it."
We used to worry about leadership.
We don't need to worry anymore.
We have it on every line.
I think that Vossy’s “How can I be a better teammate?” mantra has made a significant difference.
The raw material was there, it just needed a coach who knows how to build team culture.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - cookie2 - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 09:23 AM)DJC link Wrote:I think that Vossy’s “How can I be a better teammate?” mantra has made a significant difference.
The raw material was there, it just needed a coach who knows how to build team culture.
Yes, the turnaround in team culture is amazing and in a way highlights where the problems probably lay during the struggle years.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - WASurfer - 07-11-2022
Spot on DJC....the Voss stamp on things is pretty clear IMHO. He was a ruthless competitor. Saw Chris Scott on The Front Bar a couple of weeks back and he said as much when asked about who was the best of the Lions in those years. It's strange when you think back to late last year when all the talk was about who would be coach. I wasn't sold on Voss at the time but geez he hasn't done much wrong. There's still a few things to be ironed out but when you consider the players that we've had unavailable throughout the year, it's a pretty good result to be one game off the top of the ladder. I think 11 wins is on a par with 2013 and we've still got 6 games to go.