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Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - dodge - 04-04-2022
We lost structure and they tightened up in our forward line as the bombs continued, but not to our advantage and didn't have the same presence on the ground for the spills as in the first quarter.
The first quarter was great, second half, we lost our one-touch skills and started fumbling a lot - as well as slipping over a bit.
I thought Kennedy took a couple of really nice marks early, that had they been spilled we may have been in trouble.
I was at the game, great being in a big crowd again - the noise when the Hawks hit the front was pretty impressive, but not as good when we got back in front (although was pretty loud when Durdin kicked the goal that ended up being touched).
I'm getting too old, so find it hard to tell who has been a standout at the game. There were a few great kicks by LOB, some of H's chasing was great, some great marks, Jack S had a really good game - his last quarter just kept on presenting and being an option.
CJ had an excellent 3rd quarter for Hawks, but we did keep kicking it to him.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - Thryleon - 04-04-2022
For those playing at home, the issue wasn't what we did, its what the hawks did.
They were able to get 6 to the full back line and run out of defense whilst we were content to keep entering deeply.
We should have been eyeing off spares up the ground but the hawks were disciplined and we had too many trying to press up which meant they could rebound easily.
That was their only game against us, playing counter punch footy and I think voss was happy with that because it allows you to attack as you need to. Where it broke down was the ability to bring the ball to ground in the forward line.
Credit to hawthorn for making our strength our weakness.
The art for our boys is knowing how to change it and react because we were stuck trying to ram it in and didn't do enough to create separation in the forward line. At least that's how I saw It.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - LP - 04-04-2022
(04-04-2022, 02:11 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:For those playing at home, the issue wasn't what we did, its what the hawks did.Those of you who were at the ground may also have noticed at least once the game resumed with only 5 in the Dawks F50, the warning they got was actually a 2nd offence not the first. Our fans and players were actually remonstrating to umpires at the time and umpire Leigh Fisher ignored it. Some Dawks fans were claiming they had one short on the field as a defence, but no Dawks ran into the F50 until after the next restart.
They were able to get 6 to the full back line and run out of defense whilst we were content to keep entering deeply.
In any case, if that is true and you are one short on the field, is that legal under the current rules?
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - Lods - 04-04-2022
Things that would have been strange if we said them 12 months ago..... ;D
We really missed McGovern!
Kennedy notches up his 3rd 30 disposal game in a row!
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 04-04-2022
An interesting perspective that I heard today was:
- Ironically what got us to that big lead (playing style) ultimately got us to conceding it
- Making changes to stop a run is a short term view (ie within a game), coninuing to play to your identity is the long term view and may cost a win or two along the way.
I thought that was a pretty interesting way to look at it.
Similar to what ol mate Thry says in #51 (Credit to hawthorn for making our strength our weakness)
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - kruddler - 04-04-2022
(04-04-2022, 06:20 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:An interesting perspective that I heard today was:
- Ironically what got us to that big lead (playing style) ultimately got us to conceding it
- Making changes to stop a run is a short term view (ie within a game), coninuing to play to your identity is the long term view and may cost a win or two along the way.
I thought that was a pretty interesting way to look at it.
Similar to what ol mate Thry says in #51 (Credit to hawthorn for making our strength our weakness)
I was just going to say similar to your first point (and Thry's) but expand on it a bit.
There was 1 obvious difference between the first quarter and the rest. In the first quarter, we literally clunked everything. Harry, Charlie, Jack, Cripps all took big marks I50 in the first quarter. Commentators were raving about how many CM's we had taken and we're at the average early in the 2nd quarter.
From there though, we didn't take those marks (or enough, at the same frequency) and the ball was well cleared as a result.
The big forwards were on fire early and our mids got lazy as a result. "Bomb it up, someone will mark it." worked early, but not often enough later on. Hawks were awake to it and chopping everything off and rebounding, quickly, from there. We were chasing a lot more tail because of it, and ultimately tiring ourselves out......which exacerbated the problem.
In R1, it was the smalls and mids.
In R2, it was the talls.
In R3, it started with the talls, and the smalls barely got a lookin because the ball never hit the deck.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-04-2022
(04-04-2022, 01:45 AM)dodge link Wrote:We lost structure and they tightened up in our forward line as the bombs continued, but not to our advantage and didn't have the same presence on the ground for the spills as in the first quarter.Thought Hawthorn went harder at the ball in the second half, their kid mids like Worpel, Newcombe, McDonald wanted it more and few of our blokes thought the job was done and stopped contesting and chasing.
The first quarter was great, second half, we lost our one-touch skills and started fumbling a lot - as well as slipping over a bit.
I thought Kennedy took a couple of really nice marks early, that had they been spilled we may have been in trouble.
I was at the game, great being in a big crowd again - the noise when the Hawks hit the front was pretty impressive, but not as good when we got back in front (although was pretty loud when Durdin kicked the goal that ended up being touched).
I'm getting too old, so find it hard to tell who has been a standout at the game. There were a few great kicks by LOB, some of H's chasing was great, some great marks, Jack S had a really good game - his last quarter just kept on presenting and being an option.
CJ had an excellent 3rd quarter for Hawks, but we did keep kicking it to him.
We have the weapons and class now to kick big scores and win shootouts so I'm expecting opposing teams to be a lot more physical and turn games into scrimmages and ugly contests to bring us back to the field a bit.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - LP - 04-04-2022
(04-04-2022, 08:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:We have the weapons and class now to kick big scores and win shootouts so I'm expecting opposing teams to be a lot more physical and turn games into scrimmages and ugly contests to bring us back to the field a bit.Yep, dealing with that is the next big test, it's the difference between being a good side and being the next Nthmond.
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - BluePhantom - 04-04-2022
We need to kick the ball so our talls can run and hit the pack on the move. We continually kick onto their heads and they just stand their and jump which is easily defended.
When they are on the move watch out, such as Harry's last mark on the wing.
Still get worried when LOB has the ball. Seems to put his team mates under pressure with his decision making. Yes he can run and yes he can kick the ball but... he seems like a very talented, fit VFL player. Good but not quite there.
Great to finally watch a game with SOME confidence that we have a great chance of winning. It;'s only been 21 years.
Great work Vossy, love the Vosswagen!
Re: AFL Rd 3 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Hawthorn - Gointocarlton - 04-04-2022
(04-04-2022, 05:33 AM)Lods link Wrote:Things that would have been strange if we said them 12 months ago..... ;DJust on Gov, I think he is a defender who is attacking but can actually defend (which is a lost art with all the zoning BS).
We really missed McGovern!
Kennedy notches up his 3rd 30 disposal game in a row!
IMO Defenders who can actually defend are worth their weight in gold, they win you games (eg Weiters yesterday). Weiters is a gun, a pure defender who is selfless. I think Gov has the similar traits, I think Saad is a very good small defender as is Doc.
The rest? There are a couple who I believe will cost us games and this needs a serious look at by the coaches.