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Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 04:36 AM)DJC link Wrote:Playing right into the CCP’s hands :We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.
The fact that the US didn’t re-open its Solomon Islands embassy is a factor in the CCP gaining a foothold in our backyard. Hopefully, a new US embassy and Scotty keeping his mouth shut will reverse the CCP’s gains.
And we wouldn’t get much of a missile base for the paltry amount of aid we give the Solomons … not that a missile base would present much of a threat.
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - LP - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 06:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.Getting infrastructure off China is like buying all your stuff at Venture, it's cheap plastic filled crap that'll crumble and turn to rubbish before it's a decade old!
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 06:35 AM)LP link Wrote:Getting infrastructure off China is like buying all your stuff at Venture, it's cheap plastic filled crap that'll crumble and turn to rubbish before it's a decade old!Yep its like compounded chocolate vs the real stuff, problem is the kids will eat the compounded if its free....
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - LP - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 06:39 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Yep its like compounded chocolate vs the real stuff, problem is the kids will eat the compounded if its free....China will build bridges, freeways and roads in Solomons that won't have any road base, it will look great when new but all the shit shortcuts are hidden under the surface for nobody to see.
Just like Shanghai or Beijing where new bridges or roads barely last a decade before being rebuilt.
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - DJC - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 04:47 AM)capcom link Wrote:Over $240 million p.a. is not paltry .... stuff them. Ingrates
$156M in the 2021-22 budget, down from $179M in 2014-15.
I think that we're now at $265M in aid to Ukraine in 10 weeks, and that's money well spent. Ukraine's not in our backyard though.
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - DJC - 04-30-2022
(04-30-2022, 06:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:We cant compete with the handouts or the build China will offer in terms of infrastructure, the Chinese Renminbi has bought the Solomon islands off and thats the bottom line. Doesnt matter if it was the LP or ALP they were never going to fork out what the Chinese were offering in money and toys. The only hope was the USA showing some interest and its clear they have given up and conceded the Solomons to China and dont give a flying feck about their mates down under which doesnt bode well for Taiwan's future. Sogavare has looked after his own future and is just a puppet of China now and has sold out his people, good luck trying to vote him out next election thats if they ever have one.
In fact, according to the Lowy Institute, China's aid to Pacific nations is dwarfed by Australia's. However, we have significantly reduced our aid to the Solomon Islands and the CCP has stepped in to fill the gap.
The US has announced that it will be re-opening its embassy in the Solomons after a 29 year absence. I suspect that they realised that the "deputy" isn't up to the job.
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-30-2022
The USA announced they were sending a delegation over about a day before Sogavare and his Chinese friends announced they were buddies for life, great timing...not. In fact this started back in 2019 when Sogavare was visiting China and cooking up this whole scheme. His people were rioting back home and wanted him out especially when he cut ties with Taiwan( well there is a surprise, wonder who told him to do that?) so its not like ScoMo and USA didnt know what was coming but did nothing about it.
We are not talking matching aid etc they are building roads, airports, have their grubby hands over the retail industry, resource extraction and have even promised a big Sports Stadium. He wants China to shore up his political and personal future and has sold out the Solomons as payment.
The USA embassy will have a nice view of those shiny J-20's taking off from that new airstrip..
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - capcom - 04-30-2022
The CCP will get their pound of flesh and then some ... Sogavare will pay dearly for his treachery
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - DJC - 06-08-2022
I've copied this from the China thread:
(06-08-2022, 01:56 AM)LP link Wrote:As for the anti-nuclear sub protestors, I've no interest in the anti-nuclear parrots. In any case, the tell that the deal was done happened straight after the election, when labour announced the purchase of missiles that are useless when housed on a conventional platform. If the platform cannot loiter indefinitely the missiles are worthless, so it's a huge tell the deal will proceed.
The ADF has selected the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) as its long-range, rocket artillery system. This was initially proposed in the 2016 White Paper and was confirmed by the 2020 Defence Strategic Update and Force Structure Plan. Essentially a commitment of the previous Government but Labor has undertaken to honor defence procurement commitments (as well as adding its own).
HIMARS is a light multiple rocket launcher developed in the late 1990s for the United States Army, mounted on a standard Army M1140 truck frame. As the name suggests, it is a highly mobile system that is able to "shoot and scoot", thereby evading counter battery fire. In addition to a range of warheads, HIMARS is capable of firing the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM). Australia has an MoU with the US for the development of the PrSM weapon.
HIMARS is a state of the art weapon system that will address a serious gap in our defence capability. It is perfectly suited to our conditions and will integrate seamlessly with current and future defence materiel.
HIMARS, and the older MRLS, are tipped to give Ukraine an edge in its artillery duels with Russian forces. Russian missile launchers have a shorter range and lack the mobility of the US and UK missile systems.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-the-us-and-uk-missile-systems-which-will-challenge-russias-artillery-dominance-184479
Poland has just ordered 500 HIMARS.
Re: Defence procurement bungles and wins - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-08-2022
(06-08-2022, 03:06 AM)DJC link Wrote:I've copied this from the China thread:Russian nukes have good mobility, their Sarmat 2's are very mobile and if Vlad is out gunned with the conventional weaponry he will up the stakes imo...
The ADF has selected the M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) as its long-range, rocket artillery system. This was initially proposed in the 2016 White Paper and was confirmed by the 2020 Defence Strategic Update and Force Structure Plan. Essentially a commitment of the previous Government but Labor has undertaken to honor defence procurement commitments (as well as adding its own).
HIMARS is a light multiple rocket launcher developed in the late 1990s for the United States Army, mounted on a standard Army M1140 truck frame. As the name suggests, it is a highly mobile system that is able to "shoot and scoot", thereby evading counter battery fire. In addition to a range of warheads, HIMARS is capable of firing the Precision Strike Missile (PrSM). Australia has an MoU with the US for the development of the PrSM weapon.
HIMARS is a state of the art weapon system that will address a serious gap in our defence capability. It is perfectly suited to our conditions and will integrate seamlessly with current and future defence materiel.
HIMARS, and the older MRLS, are tipped to give Ukraine an edge in its artillery duels with Russian forces. Russian missile launchers have a shorter range and lack the mobility of the US and UK missile systems.
https://theconversation.com/ukraine-war-the-us-and-uk-missile-systems-which-will-challenge-russias-artillery-dominance-184479
Poland has just ordered 500 HIMARS.