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Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - capcom - 10-15-2021
Don't think he'll ever be anymore than a 6 / 7 outta ten
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - northernblue - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 11:17 AM)capcom link Wrote:Don't think he'll ever be anymore than a 6 / 7 outta ten
In the B&F…?
I (and his coaches) can live with that.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - madbluboy - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 08:33 AM)kruddler link Wrote:So both Eddie and Plowman got more votes in the first half of the year, rather than at the back end of the year to meet whatever triggers some might suggest they were pushed towards.
*oops*
What are you on about? I said I believe the votes are rigged/made up. Not done after each round.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - kruddler - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 12:26 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:What are you on about? I said I believe the votes are rigged/made up. Not done after each round.Well that takes the conspiracy level to a whole new height of crazy then.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - madbluboy - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 04:35 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Well that takes the conspiracy level to a whole new height of crazy then.
Fixing a best and fairest is a whole new level?
Some people here believe 9/11 was an inside job.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - Baggers - 10-15-2021
I wonder if sometimes Plow hasn't been somewhat unfairly judged due to his high draft position? I don't see a world beater, but I do see a bloke who gives his all for the club and his mates. I do see someone who has been given some dreadful match-ups and expectations. My only knock on him would be his joking and laughing with opponents after a horrible loss... but that's likely just his nature. Conversely, I don't think I've ever seen him take a short step and I've often seen him one of the first blokes to come to a mate's help in a dustup, etc. He was often the bloke, along with Weiters and Jonesy, who'd come to Stocks' support as he was learning and making mistakes.
He's just the sort of bloke who could do better under our new coaching regime. Time will tell. And that goes for a good number of our blokes. Plenty of cautious optimism here.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - 31Tommys_barber - 10-15-2021
Plowman is just one of those defenders that when he makes an error it usually costs a goal and people remember that error but he also does a lot of the hard team things that coaches know but supporters don’t.
Jones errors give away just as many goals but he doesn’t cop the crap that Plowman does.
All in the view of the supporter I got a friend who when we were discussing Plowmans B&F placing said maybe the opposition gave him votes or he had pics of defensive coach Amos in a comprising position! I thought he had an alright year.
Interesting though how defence was our problem but our defenders placed prominently in the top 10 ?
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - PaulP - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 10:46 PM)31Tommys_barber link Wrote:..................................
Interesting though how defense was our problem but our defenders placed prominently in the top 10 ?
IMO our defensive problems were further up the ground.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - Lods - 10-15-2021
Just a quick scan of some of those round by round numbers.
Jack Silvagni polled in 14/15 games.
Doc in every game he played.
and after the bye Kennedy had the most votes after Walsh and Weitering.
Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021 - DJC - 10-15-2021
(10-15-2021, 10:00 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I wonder if sometimes Plow hasn't been somewhat unfairly judged due to his high draft position? I don't see a world beater, but I do see a bloke who gives his all for the club and his mates. I do see someone who has been given some dreadful match-ups and expectations. My only knock on him would be his joking and laughing with opponents after a horrible loss... but that's likely just his nature. Conversely, I don't think I've ever seen him take a short step and I've often seen him one of the first blokes to come to a mate's help in a dustup, etc. He was often the bloke, along with Weiters and Jonesy, who'd come to Stocks' support as he was learning and making mistakes.
He's just the sort of bloke who could do better under our new coaching regime. Time will tell. And that goes for a good number of our blokes. Plenty of cautious optimism here.
He's not Robinson Crusoe; most players have a laugh with opponents, many of whom are former teammates. I think it's a sign of the times but it doesn't mean that Plowman, or any other player, isn't hurting after a loss. Perhaps it's a coping mechanism.
I think that Plowman will do better under the new regime ... if we play more effective defence before the ball gets to our defensive 50.
I saw an interesting statistical comparison:
Plowman
Disposal Efficiency: 80.4%
Clangers: 1.9 per game
Turnovers: 1.7 per game
Contested Defensive Losses: 21.6%
Defensive Half Pressure Acts: 6.1 per game
Jones
Disposal Efficiency: 77.4%
Clangers: 2.4 per game
Turnovers: 3.1 per game
Contested Defensive Losses: 11.8%
Defensive Half Pressure Acts: 4.1 per game
Weitering
Disposal Efficiency: 74.0%
Clangers: 2.6 per game
Turnovers: 3.4 per game
Contested Defensive Losses: 20.8 percent
Defensive Half Pressure Acts: 4.2 per game
The significance of those statistics is diminished by the different roles of the three players but we don't pile on Jones or Weitering when their turnovers or defensive losses give up goals.