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Re: Melbourne Storm - jayjay - 03-09-2024
What about our forwards without big Nelson :o Normally their pack monsters us also new rule regarding teams protecting their kicker allowed us to put pressure on cleary great effort from welch after losing captaincy to show real grunt back to his old form hopefully! GO STormers
Re: Melbourne Storm - LP - 03-16-2024
Papy and X, superstars.
Re: Melbourne Storm - spf - 03-16-2024
Lucky win, took some Coates magic to seal it, and the Warriors can feel rightly cheated. Still, good teams find a way.
Re: Melbourne Storm - RiverRat - 03-17-2024
Warriors pretty much ran roughshod over the Storm in the second half. Good to get the 2 points though.
Re: Melbourne Storm - LP - 10-06-2024
Regardless of the result, I think the NRL Final has highlighted the weak points of various video review systems.
They may improve the error rate but they will never be perfect, they just move the decision towards an ever finer line that is largely beyond human perception. For me this minuscule reduction in errors comes at a massive cost, the spectacle of the game is greatly degraded, we've already seen soccer go this way and it's becoming a joke with imaginary lines indicating a fingernail was offside. I fear we can see the AFL heading in the same direction!
Why would sports do this to itself?
The answer is simple, gambling revenue, gambling is big dollars from big sponsors who have big influence.
The video reviews are sold to the public as a need to get things right for the sake of the sport, but it's about wallets first with the sport as a spectacle coming in a distant second. I'd rather the old days, with a umpiring that is autocratic and authoritarian, and the games were not disrupted.
Even worse than the disruption of the video review is when officials retrospectively use uncorrelated footage to defend something that they apparently got wrong. Just come out and say we stuffed up and move on, don't go down the route of trying to sell us the idea that left was right, you're not Donald Trump and this isn't Kansas, just own your mistakes!
Re: Melbourne Storm - Thryleon - 10-07-2024
(10-06-2024, 10:52 PM)LP link Wrote:Regardless of the result, I think the NRL Final has highlighted the weak points of various video review systems.
They may improve the error rate but they will never be perfect, they just move the decision towards an ever finer line that is largely beyond human perception. For me this minuscule reduction in errors comes at a massive cost, the spectacle of the game is greatly degraded, we've already seen soccer go this way and it's becoming a joke with imaginary lines indicating a fingernail was offside. I fear we can see the AFL heading in the same direction!
Why would sports do this to itself?
The answer is simple, gambling revenue, gambling is big dollars from big sponsors who have big influence.
The video reviews are sold to the public as a need to get things right for the sake of the sport, but it's about wallets first with the sport as a spectacle coming in a distant second. I'd rather the old days, with a umpiring that is autocratic and authoritarian, and the games were not disrupted.
Even worse than the disruption of the video review is when officials retrospectively use uncorrelated footage to defend something that they apparently got wrong. Just come out and say we stuffed up and move on, don't go down the route of trying to sell us the idea that left was right, you're not Donald Trump and this isn't Kansas, just own your mistakes!
Nah you are focussing on the decisions that were always line ball.
I still remember Tom Hawkins hitting the post vs St. Kilda in a grand final, and the goal being paid.
Any system that removes that eventuality, and brings in a bit more clarity is good.
The ones that are very hairline need to just have an over arching opinion placed on it such as, when VAR cannot tell, then its effectively Umpires call.
I think thats fine. My issue with VAR is when it is used unnecessarily to verify the umpires call. There was one such example of an arbitrary behind in our elimination final vs Brisbane that was conjecture over touched or not, and I just sat there thinking, what a waste of time in a game that was already dead.
Re: Melbourne Storm - LP - 10-07-2024
(10-07-2024, 12:16 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Nah you are focussing on the decisions that were always line ball.Not really, line ball has not much to do with it.
It's the same driving force that now sees players automatically begging for review pretty much every time there is a score or penalty or other such game breaking influence. It's changing the fabric of sport, team sports, individual sports, the begging has become professional, almost as bad as staging for frees. In tennis for example it's become a delaying tactic.
This whole situation is artificially created by the broadcast technology, and in effect it's the same driving force behind when BT making a song and dance about a goal umpire not knowing someone got a follicle on the ball 60m away before it travelled through the goals!
Now referees and umpires are basically conceding decision making to the video review, in some cases offering vague or unrelated reasons for the request to review.
Re: Melbourne Storm - Gointocarlton - 10-07-2024
From a non Rugba Leeg fans point of view, it was a cracking game played at what seemed to be a furious pace. Panthers seemed too quick, nimble and attacking compared to the Storm who just ran into wall after wall. Even the missus enjoyed that.
Re: Melbourne Storm - madbluboy - 10-07-2024
I don't understand how guys get their head's knocked off every tackle but they paid a foul near the end for glancing contact after a guy kicked it.
Re: Melbourne Storm - LP - 10-07-2024
(10-07-2024, 02:04 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:I don't understand how guys get their head's knocked off every tackle but they paid a foul near the end for glancing contact after a guy kicked it.There is a lot of weird stuff in NRL, it comes across as somewhat arbitrary and disingenuous.
A week ago Nelson Asafa-Solomona got three weeks for basically being charged at by an opponent, an opponent who while sprinting at full pace turned his approaching head into 200cm Nelson's shoulder and knocked himself out. Nelson got suspended for 3 or 4 weeks basically for an opponent headbutting his shoulder, NRL deemed it a shoulder charge from Nelson. The NRL will claim Nelson has form with three earlier offences, but reality is opponents do it deliberately because being accused of a shoulder charge can force Nelson to be sent off into the Sin Bin for 10 minutes.
Last night a player blatantly shoulder charged an opponent, hitting the opponent high directly to the head with a shoulder turned into the impact, and wasn't even penalised.
Now in AFL, you can write this off as variation between multiple umpires, but in NRL there is only one referee, and we can't even claim the referee didn't see it because he publicly announced on the broadcast it's not a shoulder charge.