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Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - PaulP - 06-18-2020
My previous post was just me being a smart ar$e - it's not to be taken literally.
This idea that we are going to get a big jump in performance from Bolton to Teague is illusory, certainly in the short to medium term - just some supporters engaging in wishful thinking and going the early crow. We've all done it.
We still have too many issues across several areas to be taken seriously as a contender or a finals threat. Honourable losses and being competitive and jagging the odd win are the reality for now. Saying losses are unacceptable, won't be tolerated etc. are just pie-in-the-sky benchmarking IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - LP - 06-18-2020
We do get the irony PaulP even if it's difficult to express in written words.
If only some more of our fans would look at "our club's good helpers" like McGuire and Dangerfield with the same scepticism as they apply to each other!
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - Baggers - 06-18-2020
(06-18-2020, 12:11 AM)PaulP link Wrote:My previous post was just me being a smart ar$e - it's not to be taken literally.
This idea that we are going to get a big jump in performance from Bolton to Teague is illusory, certainly in the short to medium term - just some supporters engaging in wishful thinking and going the early crow. We've all done it.
We still have too many issues across several areas to be taken seriously as a contender or a finals threat. Honourable losses and being competitive and jagging the odd win are the reality for now. Saying losses are unacceptable, won't be tolerated etc. are just pie-in-the-sky benchmarking IMO.
Hey, Pauly, there was merit in your 'sm@rt@rse' comments.
When the club declares it's now in the business of winning, and it loses, then we call them to account regardless of what we supporters think is reality.
If we are in the business of winning then 2020 must deliver more wins than loses and 2021 must see strong finals action. Delusional? Nuh. When we set winning as the benchmark (and not 'growth' or improvement only) then you must deliver. Things can change very, very quickly. There will be a tipping point and that has to be reached sooner rather than later.
FWIW, I still think we have a few passengers and hopefully, over this season they'll be weeded out to give us the best chance of 'winning'.
(As an aside, the sight of Simmo pulling the players aside last week and giving his talk was very disconcerting to me, he should have whispered in the ears of the skippers for them to deliver).
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - cookie2 - 06-18-2020
If we aren't being strictly measured against our stated target of winning then what is the incentive to win and how can we expect to ever start winning? Repeatedly failing means being held to account. Simple management. We must get it into the minds of the players what is expected and provide the guidance/tools/training etc. to achieve it. A bit of work still required yet - focus, focus, focus!
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - PaulP - 06-18-2020
(06-18-2020, 01:51 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Hey, Pauly, there was merit in your 'sm@rt@rse' comments.
When the club declares it's now in the business of winning, and it loses, then we call them to account regardless of what we supporters think is reality.
If we are in the business of winning then 2020 must deliver more wins than loses and 2021 must see strong finals action. Delusional? Nuh. When we set winning as the benchmark (and not 'growth' or improvement only) then you must deliver. Things can change very, very quickly. There will be a tipping point and that has to be reached sooner rather than later.
FWIW, I still think we have a few passengers and hopefully, over this season they'll be weeded out to give us the best chance of 'winning'.
(As an aside, the sight of Simmo pulling the players aside last week and giving his talk was very disconcerting to me, he should have whispered in the ears of the skippers for them to deliver).
The point is, clubs and supporters can engage in as much tough talk, minimum standards and pronouncements as they want - until the reality matches the words, it's all hot air. Reality will continue to mock and laugh at us until that occurs. That could happen this weekend, or it could happen in 2025.
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - Adelaideblue - 06-18-2020
Suggestion from left field (well over the border!!) bring in Sam Ramsay to play on (run with) Ablett and lock down defender.
cheers for now
Ab
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - Baggers - 06-18-2020
(06-18-2020, 02:37 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The point is, clubs and supporters can engage in as much tough talk, minimum standards and pronouncements as they want - until the reality matches the words, it's all hot air. Reality will continue to mock and laugh at us until that occurs. That could happen this weekend, or it could happen in 2025.
You have to start somewhere, you must set a goal -- to quote the corny old saying, but nonetheless true -- that is within sight but a little out of reach. You achieve naught without vision and goals and mongrel persistence.
Words, even those full of hot air, set standards, set a measurement for accountability and measurement of progress.
You speak of the 'line in the sand' game that turned around the Dawks... started with strong words, words that challenged a group, words that challenged a group to create a new culture and not-negotiable standards. Never underestimate the power of words, Pauly.
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - PaulP - 06-18-2020
(06-18-2020, 02:52 AM)Baggers link Wrote:You have to start somewhere, you must set a goal -- to quote the corny old saying, but nonetheless true -- that is within sight but a little out of reach. You achieve naught without vision and goals and mongrel persistence.
Words, even those full of hot air, set standards, set a measurement for accountability and measurement of progress.
You speak of the 'line in the sand' game that turned around the Dawks... started with strong words, words that challenged a group, words that challenged a group to create a new culture and not-negotiable standards. Never underestimate the power of words, Pauly.
I'm a big fan of the power of words, but saying "it's wins or nothing" is not an example of how to use words well, and it's not going to get the desired result. It's lazy, and amateurish to boot.
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - capcom - 06-18-2020
So what is this .... Defcon 1?
I don't think we have a hope in hell this weekend. We are so deficient in so many areas, it's demoralising. So dilute that down to the essence of the problem. Who can take us forward?
Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong - Gointocarlton - 06-18-2020
(06-18-2020, 02:45 AM)Adelaideblue link Wrote:Suggestion from left field (well over the border!!) bring in Sam Ramsay to play on (run with) Ablett and lock down defender.We dont listen to your kind from over the border here
cheers for now
Ab
I like the idea, cant hurt.