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Re: Australian Open 2020 - LP - 02-05-2020
(02-05-2020, 10:21 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:Capcom, side with whomever you like. The crowd was against Djokovic, before the match was in full swing, and were clearly not on his side and this was before any perceived rule bending which dismisses your entire argument.The crowd does have a memory doesn't it, surely your not claiming history means nothing?
Re: Australian Open 2020 - capcom - 02-05-2020
(02-05-2020, 10:21 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Capcom, side with whomever you like. The crowd was against Djokovic, before the match was in full swing, and were clearly not on his side and this was before any perceived rule bending which dismisses your entire argument.
It also says a bit about you that you have to paraphrase my point with "Australia is racist".
Poor form.
That's a straw mans fallacy if I have ever seen one.
So you didn't imply the racism quote? You said it, I didn't. You used present tense
just how racist Australia can be
Re: Australian Open 2020 - Thryleon - 02-05-2020
^^
Look up a straw mans fallacy:
Quote:You misrepresented someone's argument to make it easier to attack.
By exaggerating, misrepresenting, or just completely fabricating someone's argument, it's much easier to present your own position as being reasonable, but this kind of dishonesty serves to undermine honest rational debate.
Re: Australian Open 2020 - LP - 02-05-2020
(02-05-2020, 01:39 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Trust me, grow up with a surname ending in opoulos, and you will experience first hand just how racist Australia can be. We are just greatful the hatred is now being aimed at the Asians for a change but every so often you get a reminder that you arent fully accepted you are just the best of the "bad bunch".Thry you wrote the above, quoted for future reference. Capcom quoted you without paraphrasing, alteration or amplification, how can Capcom be the one making a Straw Man argument!
Neither Capcom or anyone else introduce prejudice towards Balkans as an pseudo defense for Djoko in this debate, and if it's a deep seated racism that you gratefully no longer experience how can it be so specific to Australian's and how can it be persistent and current?
The bulk of Australian's have no history or experience of conflict or division from within Balkan states like those who are expatriate Balkans do!
Further, what specific relation do Australian's have in general to the disruptive entourage that travels with the player's?
Subjectively, it seems convenient to make the claims of previous and persistent racism as some sort of weird defense for Djoko's history of poor sportsmanship and bad on court behavior. But the two are not connected, and it's not going to fly with most observers, the bulk of who won't engage in the debate because of the propensity for Djoko's apologists to label critics as racist!
The accusation of racism is neither a widely valid point or an generally accurate observation, it's just become a silencing tactic used in many debates and as a tactic it's effectiveness is wearing out!
Re: Australian Open 2020 - Thryleon - 02-06-2020
^^
I stated grow up with the surname opoulos and you will find out how racist Australia can be.
Not that Australia is racist.
(02-05-2020, 03:19 AM)capcom link Wrote:Don't wish to insert myself into this "to and fro" beyond this comment, but to suggest "Australia is racist" Thry (paraphrasing your words) is certainly not my life experience.
Re: Australian Open 2020 - DJC - 02-06-2020
(02-06-2020, 02:11 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:^^
I stated grow up with the surname opoulos and you will find out how racist Australia can be.
Not that Australia is racist.
I think that your statement would be more acceptable if was along the lines, "Some (or many) Australians are racist." To state that "Australia is racist" or "Australians are racist" is falling into the same basket as those racists who believe that they can categorise folk on the basis of race or ethnicity.
I fully accept how difficult it must have been as a migrant or child of a migrant in the mid 20th century. I was from one of three protestant families in our street and the overt and covert bigotry from the catholic majority was relentless. Times have changed and no-one gives a fat rat's clacker about one's religion now ... unless you happen to be Muslim.
Re: Australian Open 2020 - Jack Burton - 02-06-2020
Australians elected Pauline Hanson to office. Twice. It's hard to argue we're not a racist country (although I acknowledge that the majority of Australians are not racist, but there are many among us who are)
Re: Australian Open 2020 - cookie2 - 02-06-2020
There are people, all around the world, who are predjudiced against others for various reasons including race, ethnicity, religion.
Re: Australian Open 2020 - DJC - 02-06-2020
(02-06-2020, 06:45 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Australians elected Pauline Hanson to office. Twice. It's hard to argue we're not a racist country (although I acknowledge that the majority of Australians are not racist, but there are many among us who are)
In fact, "Australians" didn't elect Pauline Hanson. Taking the 2016 election as an example, 4.3% of voters voted for One Nation and it is our voting system that enabled Hanson and others to secure Senate seats - no One Nation candidate has ever been elected to the House of Representatives.
It would be more accurate to state that it is reasonable to assume that many of the 4.3% of voters who voted for One Nation are racist. Of course, that doesn't mean that some of those voters who voted for other parties aren't racist too. However, that doesn't mean that Australia is a racist country even if many of our citizens struggle to come to terms that our nation is founded on attempted genocide.
I would say that Australians generally are no more racist than folk from most other countries, and probably less racist than many.
Xenophobia seems to be part of the human condition and it's great that many Australians have embraced multiculturalism and and are more willing to accept diversity.
Re: Australian Open 2020 - flyboy77 - 02-06-2020
As a generalisation (which is all we can deal in given the nature of the beast), if you want explicit racism, look no further than the vast majority of the Asian nations.