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Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - flyboy77 - 10-31-2018
Impossible not to be sceptical....
BB has really shown very little in terms of getting hi skill set (teaching mantra) stuff to convert into wins....
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - PaulP - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:56 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:............................ I'll also guess we have sacked more coaches than anyone (or at least equal) and its got us to where we are now. I'm happy to do something different for a change.
I agree. We can't keep sacking coaches every three years, and expect to hit pay dirt.
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - Gointocarlton - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 10:23 AM)Lods link Wrote:You judge it on circumstances no doubt.Lods all I'm saying is despite being a grumpy old prick who wants the old Carlton back (ie ladder position), I am not in the camp thatS putting a time frame around BB's tenure. I also don't see it as "salesmanship" per se`, I just see it as a fresh, new, unCarlton like approach which I am comfortable with. Now thats what I think at the moment, if we were to lose every game for the next two years (extreme I know), I cant say I will be thinking the same as that would mean the "signs of the right direction" would have disappeared. Would I be worried if we had another year like 2018? A little, but no I wouldn't sack BB. Do I think we will have another year like 2018? No I don't.
And he's had a bad run with injuries this year.
It's a reason he's been cut a little bit of slack.
2 and 20 without the injuries and he's in the sights.
That's fair enough.
I've no doubt the club has done a terrific bit of salesmanship in terms of the approach they're taking.
But there comes a point when folks start to wonder whether they've been "sold a pup".
14/18
16/18
18/18
That's what we have during Bolton's time.
So yep
We're being a bit patient...very unCarlton like.
The Coles 6,000 dollar questions are
When does this turn around?
What has Bolton shown us so far?
What can he show us?
As I see it he's been given a very good young group to work with... when do we see signs that he can use his magic to turn that group into a winning combination?
Until we see that I have to remain sceptical.
Happy to give him a chance... but sceptical.
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - Lods - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 10:41 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Lods all I'm saying is despite being a grumpy old prick who wants the old Carlton back (ie ladder position), I am not in the camp thatS putting a time frame around BB's tenure. I also don't see it as "salesmanship" per se`, I just see it as a fresh, new, unCarlton like approach which I am comfortable with. Now thats what I think at the moment, if we were to lose every game for the next two years (extreme I know), I cant say I will be thinking the same as that would mean the "signs of the right direction" would have disappeared. Would I be worried if we had another year like 2018? A little, but no I wouldn't sack BB. Do I think we will have another year like 2018? No I don't.
I don't think we'll have another 2018 either.
But if we did I think we'd have reached the point where significant changes would have to occur.
Hopefully it's onward and upward in 2019
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-31-2018
Would the club have employed Walls help if they were convinced on BB.....???
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - LP - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 11:33 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Would the club have employed Walls help if they were convinced on BB.....???
But he is not employed.
Wall's been offered a token unpaid volunteering position, it's a token position for a club great to otherwise be our version of Sheedy!
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - DJC - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 11:54 AM)LP link Wrote:But he is not employed.
Wall's been offered a token unpaid volunteering position, it's a token position for a club great to otherwise be our version of Sheedy!
I think it's a little more structured and thought through than Sheedy's role LP, but it is a part time voluntary role:
Quote:As part of a broader development program for the Blues’ coaching staff, Carlton great Robert Walls will return to Ikon Park in 2019 as a mentor to the Blues’ AFL coaching panel.
Head of Football Brad Lloyd said the Blues were delighted to welcome back Walls.
“The Club, as part of their Coach Development Program, is putting together a coach mentoring component for all the coaches across the club and we approached Robert to see if he would be interested to play a role as a mentor,” Lloyd said.
“As a club, we’re committed to further developing our coaches’ skillsets through our Coach Development Program.”
“We’re thrilled to have a mentor of Walls’ calibre on board and look forward to his contribution.”
The three-time premiership player, who coached the Blues to the 1987 VFL premiership, said he was delighted to accept the voluntary role.
“I’m helping out in a very small way, just in a mentoring role with the coaching staff. I’ll be just a sounding board throughout the weeks and match days, so hopefully I can give them some support,” Walls said.
I note that the footy media types who beat the story up haven't come out and said that they were barking up the wrong drainpipe
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - northernblue - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:22 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Yet, you have been wrong before!
Geez to that must be hard for you to write... ????
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - flyboy77 - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 07:12 PM)northernblue link Wrote:Geez to that must be hard for you to write... ????
very easy! ;D
Re: A Rapid Rise Would Not Surprise. - spf - 10-31-2018
(10-31-2018, 09:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:IMO, the coach shouldn't even be part of the discussion until the end of the 2020 season. I've said it before, if things are still dismal, get the mob who did the Pies and Tigers audit, get them to scrutinise the joint from top to bottom, and then make changes based on that. I'd be most surprised if they determined Bolton needed to go.
Yes, agree with you here Paul, you cannot expect overnight success. Bolton was very reticent to let Gibbs go, as he knew what that really meant in terms of effect on the team, and, the players around him. You can't replace that without a like for like, which was know we couldn't get. Injuries, and the departure of experience left us devoid of coverage - all discussed here before.
Personally, the arrival of Andrew Fraser may be the greatest recruiting impact for next season in particular, and, I suspect the year after. This will shape the list, allow players to start to show their talent on the bigger stage. Who knows what a fit SPS, Williamson, and, Pickett may deliver. Those three in particular I highlight, as some serious organic development from them covers not only their set positions, but opens up new areas of the ground. If SPS, and Pickett were able to push into the midfield more, or play off half back, you will see other positional changes from other players, and this will really help us develop.
The players I expect to show some real organic development this year are:
Setterfield (if he gets a full pre-season, no reason he cannot be a very good player in his first year essentially - think Dow last year)
Cunningham (again, full pre-season, and who knows what he can deliver)
Williamson (if fit, he will play a lot this year)
Macreadie (the forgotten man in many ways, I rate this guy)
O'Brien (he has some talent, will be much better for another run, and a full pre-season)
Lang (full pre-season into him, and I think he will be starting 22 most weeks. He can play, showed that at Geelong, and in flashes last year)
Kennedy (he played a couple of solid games this year, give him a full pre-season under Fraser - different player in 2019).
Shumacher (my dark horse for break out year, I think if fit with a full pre-season, this guy will break into the side, and stay there)
Factor this type of development into those players, a full pre-season into Fasolo, Mckay, DeKonig, Marchbank, and Kerr, then you have the makings of real solid organic growth right across the park.
I don't expect a 'Dockers' game this year. I think those things will be eradicated, and, if so, if you look at the rest of our games (taking out the horror shows), you see a pretty competitive Carlton in most games next year.
I know it's only pre-season, but I think there is real cause for optimism for 2019. How may games will we win? It will probably come down to injuries on other lists, the organic improvement rate pre-round ten, and, how well they 'gell' or build 'cohesion' as Chris Judd often mentions. I would be happy with say two to three wins pre-round ten, which would set us up nicely for an overall of around seven to ten games for the year.
If that scenario played out, we could beat the Saints, Suns, Dockers, and probably the Bulldogs, give Geelong a run (we did this season), knock over the hawks, push the Pies, Richmond, and Eagles. I think we can also (dependent on injuries), knock over the Crows here, and, Port Adelaide. Down here I think we also a pretty good chance against the Lions (I rate them - quietly building up there), and will definitely push the Swans down here.
There is a lot to look forward to in my opinion.