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Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 08-25-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:51 PM)Barbs link Wrote:Good. As per my last post, this had to happen.Or Ratts
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2018-08-25/clarke-departs
Hopefully making way for Sam Mitchell to take up the position
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - Barbs - 08-26-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:54 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Or RattsCould he really come back in any role less than head coach?
I like Ratts and think he would be great in the job, but it might be a little too destabilising to have him as midfield coach at the moment.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - cookie2 - 08-26-2018
(08-26-2018, 12:12 AM)Barbs link Wrote:Could he really come back in any role less than head coach?
I like Ratts and think he would be great in the job, but it might be a little too destabilising to have him as midfield coach at the moment.
Won't be too many Ratts old contempories left at the club next year I would think?
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - PaulP - 08-26-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:48 PM)Barbs link Wrote:When an entire system breaks down, yes it is the coaches that need to be looked at because they are accountable for the entirety of the team's performance. And not just Bolton - all of them.
That doesn't mean sack Bolton - I understand the need for some stability and what you're saying. But there definitely need to be some changes in his support crew and a different game plan in 2019. As some first changes, replace those responsible for skills development, the midfield and fitness. Because whatever they're doing just isn't getting results.
After 2 wins in season and multiple 10 goal thrashings we can't bury our heads in the sand and say everything would have worked out if we just had one player. Docherty is good - but he alone wouldn't have prevented this shipwreck.
We are not an AFL freak show, or an AFL outlier. Every single AFL team plays a zone, cluster, web, whatever you want to call it. Conceptually they make sense. These structures can be implemented to varying degrees, different parts of the ground etc. They are all starting positions only. The game has a dynamic component, and players continuously change from one mode to another. Maybe there needs to be an adjustment to the way we implement our zone, but I think by far the biggest problem is that we turn the ball over so often, the players simply can't settle, and have to adjust and readjust far too often, and are therefore out of position too often. That coupled with inexperience, injury etc., is a recipe for disaster and as far as fans are concerned, a recipe for class unrest.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - PaulP - 08-26-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:48 PM)Barbs link Wrote:................
After 2 wins in season and multiple 10 goal thrashings we can't bury our heads in the sand and say everything would have worked out if we just had one player. Docherty is good - but he alone wouldn't have prevented this shipwreck.
In a better world I agree. One player shouldn't make that much difference. But our team isn't in that better world yet. We've seen it with Judd, we see it with Cripps, and we should also see it with Doc. At least I do. We are still far too reliant on the top 4 or 5 players.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - kruddler - 08-26-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:25 PM)Vivian link Wrote:I'm happy with the zone style because the coach is expecting them to learn how to play in a way that will win. One on one is for wet days and the bottom leagues. Watch a division one game in local leagues; they play zone.
I can't speak for everyone, but i've got no problem with the coach implementing a zone style of play. As you say, its the norm.
However, when the team is so obviously bad, there needs to be a circuit breaker of sorts. Players need to be reminded that they can in fact play the game. The quickest and easiest way to do that mid-game is to switch to man on man. A large part of coaching is player management, both in terms of physically and mentally. The players look fed up and tired. Give them a break and let them just run around and play.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - townsendcalling - 08-26-2018
From the get go, it was anticipated that Year 3 of the rebuild would not be great, given the demographic gap in our list and our commitment to hit 3 drafts with vigour.
That prediction was prior to the Gibbs move or the Docherty injury.
I still think (hope) that the powers know exactly where we stand and have the right blueprint for the next 2 years. I just hope our attractiveness to potential free agents etc has not been deminiished over Season 2018.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - PaulP - 08-26-2018
(08-26-2018, 12:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I can't speak for everyone, but i've got no problem with the coach implementing a zone style of play. As you say, its the norm.
However, when the team is so obviously bad, there needs to be a circuit breaker of sorts. Players need to be reminded that they can in fact play the game. The quickest and easiest way to do that mid-game is to switch to man on man. A large part of coaching is player management, both in terms of physically and mentally. The players look fed up and tired. Give them a break and let them just run around and play.
I'm sure Bolton has thought of that and has been tempted to go down that path. He seems to be pretty uncompromising, and is riding the kids pretty hard. I really don't know if that's a good thing or not.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - northernblue - 08-26-2018
(08-25-2018, 11:25 PM)Vivian link Wrote:I'm happy with the zone style because the coach is expecting them to learn how to play in a way that will win. One on one is for wet days and the bottom leagues. Watch a division one game in local leagues; they play zone.
Its the turnovers that are killing us. We won the inside 50s, which shows we are winning the ball and getting it forward. We then break down and it comes back and we are struggling to get back to position. Playing one one one is not going to improve us much.
One a few occasions this year our approach has worked and we score. Fast ball movement via accurate kicking is very hard to defend. But it requires great skills and being organised and we are struggling to meet these levels.
The coach has high expectations. Good.
Glad someone else can see it and said it well.
If we need a matchday coach let’s get one, but I’m not totally convinced that it’s a game day coaching issue.
Re: 2018 Rd 23: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-26-2018
(08-26-2018, 12:19 AM)PaulP link Wrote:We are not an AFL freak show, or an AFL outlier. Every single AFL team plays a zone, cluster, web, whatever you want to call it. Conceptually they make sense. These structures can be implemented to varying degrees, different parts of the ground etc. They are all starting positions only. The game has a dynamic component, and players continuously change from one mode to another. Maybe there needs to be an adjustment to the way we implement our zone, but I think by far the biggest problem is that we turn the ball over so often, the players simply can't settle, and have to adjust and readjust far too often, and are therefore out of position too often. That coupled with inexperience, injury etc., is a recipe for disaster and as far as fans are concerned, a recipe for class unrest.
Paul, Other teams man up properly and pay special attention to the opposition best players...we let the best opposition players run around on their own and hope some useless zone will repel them.