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Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - LoveNavy - 04-06-2018
(04-06-2018, 02:07 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Sounds like the played Kennedy when he wasn't fit (recovered)?
He certainly had an off night IMO. Be that not fit or otherwise.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 04-06-2018
Hey everybody ! Why so glum ?
The game was lost in the 2nd q, plus the last 10 minutes of the first. Other than that, we were competitive.
More inside 50's, 1 more scoring shot, virtually equal contested possessions, won the clearances. Translation ? We are getting enough ball, and moving it to the right place. The problem as I see it is twofold :
1. the process of moving the ball to where we want it is inefficient and error filled (turnovers, missed handballs etc.) This needs to be cleaned up asap.
2. Once the ball is where we want it, it comes out far too quickly. Translation ? Lack of defensive pressure in the F50. This also needs to be fixed asap.
(04-06-2018, 01:30 PM)shawny link Wrote:We wanted to rebuild the long way so take the pain that comes with it. We all wanted the club to go to the draft and invest in kids and not take the quick fix approach. Well that sort of rebuild is slow and painful.
All those saying we need mature bodies, drop the kids and bring in Rowe, Asos, Kerridge etc make me laugh.
Then next week we will hear why are we playing those sorts, their slow, their spuds and not part of our future and why not get games into the kids
Weitering, SPS, Charlie, Cunningham, Fisher, Dow, Kennedy etc I’m very confident will all make it but give them time guys FFS.
We are 2 years and 3 games into this. No where near enough time to be so dramatic about performances like tonight.
Generally agree Shawny. Team selection is partly about blooding youth, match ups, giving certain players the benefit of the doubt, some Bolton / SOS witchcraft, and also injuries. Pickett, Willio, Doc, Lang would be handy additions right about now.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 04-06-2018
(04-06-2018, 08:25 PM)PaulP link Wrote:. The problem as I see it is twofold :
1. the process of moving the ball to where we want it is inefficient and error filled (turnovers, missed handballs etc.) This needs to be cleaned up asap.
2. Once the ball is where we want it, it comes out far too quickly. Translation ? Lack of defensive pressure in the F50. This also needs to be fixed asap.
Spot on.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - rocky - 04-06-2018
(04-06-2018, 01:41 PM)LoveNavy link Wrote:I get the play youth thing, but I don't think Polson or Dow for that matter, are ready for AFL. Particularly in the absence of a core of quality players. I'm also unconvinced Kennedy was ready to return.
At this point Mullet gets a no from me. Lamb gives too little and burns his teammates. I know our injuries are taking a toll leaving limited options.
Garlett played with intensity again. He'll be a player when he's built his tank a bit more. Little Zac was hard at it again. What's with those guerillas slamming his head into the turf. Commentary was nauseating saying how caring Sidebottom was after doing just that >
Casbolt was one of our best. I thought he was going to kick 5 there for a while. I'll settle for 4 though. He was ok in the ruck against a very good ruckman. I got excited when he threw his weight around too. Haven't seen stats but he certainly wrapped his big paws around a few pies. If not technically a tackle, would be enough to spook the ballhandler.
Charlie, Crippa, Simmo, MK, and Murph were solid IMO. Samo didn't seem to be able to get into the game but persisted. Shame that Marchy was injured - hope it's not serious. Jonesy worked hard but looked lost when the smaller guys were forward. I thought Weiters did everything to get himself back into it physically but struggled a bit with decision making.
Lots of work to do - not so much to work with.
Hopefully there's some others who can step up and hold their own.
Great summation LN, my thoughts exactly
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - townsendcalling - 04-06-2018
Early in game injuries kill us. Other teams seem to be able to throw the magnets around and cover quite well but we seem to become very unbalanced immediately. I think that’s why Bolts ultimately wants versatile players who can play a number of positions. Given the age of our squad, many are still learning their first position.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - Hubba - 04-06-2018
(04-06-2018, 01:30 PM)shawny link Wrote:We wanted to rebuild the long way so take the pain that comes with it. We all wanted the club to go to the draft and invest in kids and not take the quick fix approach. Well that sort of rebuild is slow and painful.
All those saying we need mature bodies, drop the kids and bring in Rowe, Asos, Kerridge etc make me laugh.
Then next week we will hear why are we playing those sorts, their slow, their spuds and not part of our future and why not get games into the kids
Weitering, SPS, Charlie, Cunningham, Fisher, Dow, Kennedy etc I’m very confident will all make it but give them time guys FFS.
We are 2 years and 3 games into this. No where near enough time to be so dramatic about performances like tonight.
Great post it’s a 66 game rebuild. Be patient.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - madbluboy - 04-06-2018
We have been rebuilding for 15 years.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - cookie2 - 04-06-2018
Next week's team selections will be interesting. Cogitating overnight on the latest on field effort I believe that the decision has now been taken to continue the youth focus and to grit our teeth and allow players to develop in their roles, painful as that maybe. I'm therefore not expecting too much and I'll be keen to see our team sheet for next week.
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 04-06-2018
Like last week a bit of the recent history CFC turned up - timid/introverted leadership which cascaded down through the group.
When BB first arrived and particularly in our 1st season under him, we attacked the contest and opponent with gusto and intensity - not any more. Ah, yes, intensity, there are those of us who remember CFC sides that burned with intensity and ruthlessness... this year, back to nicey nicey. Last night we were so polite (and bereft of REAL leadership) that once Rottingwood applied a modicum of pressure our leaders yelled, 'quick girls, get out of the way so the Mighty Maggies can kick lots of goals in succession'. We play well and kick goals when our opponents let us (take the foot off the pedal etc).
The acceptable:
First 10 minutes or so (or until the opposition turned up) / 2nd half. Whatever the game plan for the 2nd half was, that's what we should stick to.
Matty Kreuzer.
Murphy the player (not murphy the leader... gets a small 'm')
Casboult
Few nice glimpses from Cuningham.
As the game wore on, Weitering showing a return to a semblance of his former self.
The disappointing:
The way we folded once Rottingwood targetted our youngsters & prime mover - testament to poor on-field leadership. We become so soft once challenged.
Polson
Lamb
Mullett
Wright
Re: 2018 Rd 3: Post Game Platitudes: Carlton vs Collingwood - Lods - 04-06-2018
(04-06-2018, 11:17 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Like last week a bit of the recent history CFC turned up - timid/introverted leadership which cascaded down through the group.
Yep
We looked a bit shattered in that second quarter.
Body language suggested that they had no idea how to turn it around.
Make a mistake and it was a case of "Where is a big hole to crawl into?"
The confusing thing though is that there were times when we did attack with a bit of effort and intensity....(early on and for times in the second half).
Is that simply because the young can't sustain that pressure and our leaders cant show the way?