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Re: Goaltracker 2018 - kruddler - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 10:08 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Jack played some good games for us last year and I feel that a few ordinary performances have resulted in people over scrutinisimg his form.
Irrespective of his current form his goal assist to Harry was very classy and very good link-up.
Two things.
1. If he eliminates the fumbles (something I'm only seeing this year) he will give himself more time to dispose of the footy better.
2. Tidy up his accuracy and he'd have six goals by now even missing a game.
Jack has a very good side step/baulk considering the type of player he is.
The fumbling could be a niggle, or simply lack of continuity.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - flyboy77 - 04-25-2018
(04-25-2018, 09:50 AM)kruddler link Wrote:He didn't turn to drugs until he was at richmond according to the timeline given by himself in his own interview.
That's to miss the point, widely.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - kruddler - 04-26-2018
(04-25-2018, 11:50 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's to miss the point, widely.
Not really.
There have been plenty of players with depression and other mental issues that have surpassed the 119 game mark set by Yarran. It wasn't until he hit the drugs that it ended his career.
So minor miracle? Not so much.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - flyboy77 - 04-26-2018
(04-26-2018, 07:35 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Not really.
There have been plenty of players with depression and other mental issues that have surpassed the 119 game mark set by Yarran. It wasn't until he hit the drugs that it ended his career.
So minor miracle? Not so much.
Again, you miss the point.
You can't simply heap all mental health issues in the same camp!
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - LP - 04-26-2018
It's crazy debating this mental health issue, the miracle of Yarran and the cause timing of his demise, because PaulP's closing statement was;
(04-25-2018, 09:48 AM)PaulP link Wrote:But this is pure guesswork on my part.
Which seems to be the critical piece!
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - PaulP - 04-26-2018
(04-26-2018, 07:41 AM)LP link Wrote:It's crazy debating this because PaulP's closing stament was;
Which seems to be the critical piece!
Yes, it is guesswork on my part. But given Yazz's difficult childhood, issues with his father etc., my gut feeling is that he was a ticking time bomb, and on this occasion, we got out before it was too late, which frankly, is a rarity for our club.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - LP - 04-26-2018
(04-26-2018, 07:44 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, it is guesswork on my part. But given Yazz's difficult childhood, issues with his father etc., my gut feeling is that he was a ticking time bomb, and on this occasion, we got out before it was too late, which frankly, is a rarity for our club.
I think it's too easy to discount the effects of trying drugs. I know friends who have/would again become hopelessly addicted from a single puff or snort, and others who could use, start and stop at will with no apparent effects or withdrawal symptoms.
I also have an associate who's son tried a certain drug just once, under the influence of peer pressure at a uni party, and has spent the last two decades dealing with a major psychosis because of it!
A lot of people want to discount the effects of Yarran's drug use, like it has to be that he had problems that existed before Nthmond recruited him, primarily Nthmond people want this to be true so they can blame big bad Carlton.
But reality is we do not know, those critical words again, even something simple like one little toak can destroy someone's life which is the insidious side of social drugs that nobody talks about!
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - PaulP - 04-26-2018
I'm not discounting the drug taking, but he was, with the benefit of hindsight, someone who lacked a basic framework and structure for dealing with life's vicissitudes and temptations, and was always going to fall hard when it occurred. The fact that it occurred at the Tiges and not us is simply chance IMO.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - DJC - 04-26-2018
(04-26-2018, 07:59 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm not discounting the drug taking, but he was, with the benefit of hindsight, someone who lacked a basic framework and structure for dealing with life's vicissitudes and temptations, and was always going to fall hard when it occurred. The fact that it occurred at the Tiges and not us is simply chance IMO.
Footy clubs should be able to detect and manage issues such as those that derailed Yazza’s career.
Pure speculation on my part but I reckon the turning point in Yazza’s career/life was triggered by the comments Carrazzo made when he was suspended for clocking Chapman.
Re: Goaltracker 2018 - Thryleon - 04-26-2018
(04-26-2018, 10:35 AM)DJC link Wrote:Footy clubs should be able to detect and manage issues such as those that derailed Yazza’s career.
Pure speculation on my part but I reckon the turning point in Yazza’s career/life was triggered by the comments Carrazzo made when he was suspended for clocking Chapman.
The clocking of Chapman indicated that he was struggling to deal with something.
Contrary to popular belief, mental health issues are underlying. Often lying dormant. It's not one event that causes anything.
It's like standing at a cliff edge. Not necessarily on it, but nearby. Some events take you near it, and push you over but there is a rope to pull yourself back. Eventually things push you over and the rope breaks and that's all she wrote.
He had his issues with us at times.
I think Eddie betts departing the club is the source of Yarran Garlett and Mitch all losing their way a bit. Never underestimate the power of relationships.