(04-06-2016, 06:35 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment.  A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.

(04-06-2016, 06:52 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Murphy and Gibbs got votes despite being well beaten while Simpson and Casboult had shockers but still polled.

(04-06-2016, 09:30 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Indeed. But neither Murphy nor Gibbs is likely to be dropped, and neither of them have been noticeably down on possessions. Nor have people 'noticed' them recently: they have been major discussion points for a lot longer than either Jamo or Rowe.
Not having seen the game I find it difficult to comment on well or well poorly anyone played. However, I didn't notice Casboult getting many votes. Simpson had a few, but there hasn't been the discussion about Simpson.
My own humble opinion is that Simmo is probably going to retire at the end of this year: his disposal has been less effective in recent times and his overall play has lacked some of the desperation that was typical of him at his best. He will be missed: he is one of very few players that we drafted in that era who came to be a good player. For a guy who had 'donuts' in his 1st 2 games he became a very effective player: for a guy selected where he in the draft, he was an excellent pick-up.

(04-06-2016, 06:35 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment.  A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.

To me, our new game plan often leaves our key defenders exposed. That isn't a surprise, it is almost par for the course. Most teams are playing a similar deference now and it does leave the opportunity to be caught out on the rebound as a high probability when we turn the ball over. This is also the case when we get beaten in the middle of the ground, something that was very much the case last week.
Jamo is used to a different way of dealing with things and a 1 on 1 defence. In fact, he has been an excellent 1 on 1 defender.

Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got goals.

As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.

On the other hand, Weitering is doing a pretty good job, both in shutting down his man and getting the ball himself. However, this game plan is basically his 1st. Given that he is a top ranked recruit (neither Jamo nor Rowe was so ranked), he is coping with that game plan better.

Plowman, when he gets into the side, may well fit into a taller defensive role as well. He has more running ability than either Jamo or Rowe and is more of a run - off option  as well.

In some ways we are seeing the changing of the guard in our defence. It will be interesting to see how our defence evolves this season and who ends up in the main roles.

Another point of interest in considering Rowe especially, and to a lesser extent Jamo, is that neither of these guys has a history of starting the year off strongly. Jamo started pretty well early in his career, but has struggled early for the last few seasons (due to injury as much as anything else). Rowe has not started well in ANY of the seasons he was been with us. He has taken 3 - 6 weeks to find form and confidence, but has usually played better the longer the season has progressed. If that is to be the case again, and it would not be a surprise, then he should start to perform better in the next couple of weeks.
The question is, can we wait? Do we take the time and keep these guys in, waiting for Weitering to be able to take on the key role, or do we drop one or both and ask the kid to take on the League's best each week?
I don't have a good answer.

(04-06-2016, 06:35 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Jamo is one who is definitely polarizing opinions at the moment.  A number of people voted for him for his effort against Sydney: he received a couple of 5 vote mentions. However, his stats were ordinary and, for the 2nd week in a row, he struggled to get 10 possessions.
According to many he is really struggling. Others think he is doing not too badly.

To me, our new game plan often leaves our key defenders exposed. That isn't a surprise, it is almost par for the course. Most teams are playing a similar deference now and it does leave the opportunity to be caught out on the rebound as a high probability when we turn the ball over. This is also the case when we get beaten in the middle of the ground, something that was very much the case last week.
Jamo is used to a different way of dealing with things and a 1 on 1 defence. In fact, he has been an excellent 1 on 1 defender.

Rowe is in a similar position. He played OK in round 1, but for dropping too many marks. For his fumbles, he was almost dropped (even though he had more impact that Jamo did and more than twice the number of possessions). He was saved only by injury to Walker.
That may not have done him that much good, as he had very few possessions against Sydney, while the Sydney tall forwards got go




As a result, both Jamo and Rowe are under considerable pressure.

On the other hand, Weitering is doing a pretty good job, both in shutting down his man and getting the ball himself. However, this game plan is basically his 1st. Given that he is a top ranked recruit (neither Jamo nor Rowe was so ranked), he is coping with that game plan better.

Plowman, when he gets into the side, may well fit into a taller defensive role as well. He has more running ability than either Jamo or Rowe and is more of a run - off option  as well.

In some ways we are seeing the changing of the guard in our defence. It will be interesting to see how our defence evolves this season and who ends up in the main roles.

Another point of interest in considering Rowe especially, and to a lesser extent Jamo, is that neither of these guys has a history of starting the year off strongly. Jamo started pretty well early in his career, but has struggled early for the last few seasons (due to injury as much as anything else). Rowe has not started well in ANY of the seasons he was been with us. He has taken 3 - 6 weeks to find form and confidence, but has usually played better the longer the season has progressed. If that is to be the case again, and it would not be a surprise, then he should start to perform better in the next couple of weeks.
The question is, can we wait? Do we take the time and keep these guys in, waiting for Weitering to be able to take on the key role, or do we drop one or both and ask the kid to take on the League's best each week?
I don't have a good answer.

(04-06-2016, 07:48 PM)PassIt2Carrots link Wrote:It's all about Mr Plow EB, if he can get on the park we may have our man.

(04-06-2016, 11:31 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:If the other team has a couple of decent marking talls then thats usually the end of the road for us as it is for the other bottom teams..Tippet, Buddy and Sinclair overwhelmed us...to beat teams with that setup you need team defense..the powerful Geelong teams specialised in it with Milburn often providing the extra player at the contest..........Hawks have Gibson who does/did that role assisting Lake..its always 2 on 1 or even 3 on 1. With us its 1on 1 and in some cases that one is totally undersized like Docherty vs Tippett as our key defenders just lose touch with their man and the opposing teams always find the mismatch as one of our smalls has to cover...happens later in games mainly when we tire and the concentration slips.

We need a smart tough 190cm defender who can help our KP defenders and also provide some run and good kicking from defense...Touhy aint smart, White cant kick etc , Everitt is too timid...maybe Plowman can be our Milburn/Gibson...

(04-06-2016, 10:25 PM)LP link Wrote:Well we will get to see Plowman sooner rather than later, and the very early word is that our rookie JGM looks a very likely type.

(04-06-2016, 10:25 PM)LP link Wrote:Well we will get to see Plowman sooner rather than later, and the very early word is that our rookie JGM looks a very likely type.