(11-12-2021, 02:17 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:LP, you really piss me off. Your certitude is shill like.

(11-12-2021, 02:22 AM)Mav date Wrote:Should he follow your lead in offering up nuanced interpretations of data which admit the possibility that vaccines work and Ivermectin doesn't?

(11-11-2021, 08:28 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Gee, why only tell 1/10th of the story David?

Do you want a lesson on RRR vs. ARR? ARR is about 1%. Citing RRR without the ARR is deceitful.

No, the paper I referenced is not a clinical trial but a real life study.

Or you could then throw in the recent Swedish study:

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3949410

Yes, the effectiveness of all vaccines wanes over time.  My cousin has to have his childhood vaccinations again because he no longer has immunity.  It has been known for some time that an annual COVID vaccine will be necessary.

And then on transmission - total fail:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext

I'm not sure how much reliance you can place on a study involving only 231 individuals and no controls for other factors.  However:

Quote:Vaccination reduces the risk of delta variant infection and accelerates viral clearance. Nonetheless, fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings, including to fully vaccinated contacts. Host–virus interactions early in infection may shape the entire viral trajectory.

That seems like a win to me.

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264262v2

Relevance?  The bottom line is that vaccinated folk have less chance of infection and have less sever symptoms if they do get COVID.  For example, another real life study, this time from Canada:

Quote:Just seven fully vaccinated Albertans in their 50s have been admitted to an intensive care unit with COVID-19 since mid-May.

That compares to 181 unvaccinated people of the same age — despite the fact that there are far fewer of them.

Fully vaccinated 50-somethings were admitted to ICU at a rate of less than 3 per 100,000.

The rate among the unvaccinated, by comparison, was 139 per 100,000.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-severe-outcomes-covid-vaccination-1.6178449[/quote]

And then on the vaccine fall out - inexcusable....

https://stevekirsch.substack.com/p/why-cant-anyone-explain-how-these?

Nothing like a bit of fake news!  In fact:

[quote]CDC reviewed 14 reports of death after vaccination. Among the decedents, four were aged 12–15 years and 10 were aged 16–17 years. All death reports were reviewed by CDC physicians; impressions regarding cause of death were pulmonary embolism (two), suicide (two), intracranial hemorrhage (two), heart failure (one), hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis and disseminated Mycobacterium chelonae infection (one), and unknown or pending further records (six).

It's also worth noting that the 14 reports of death arose after approximately 8.9 million US adolescents aged 12–17 years had received the Pfizer vaccine.

https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-11-11-2021

Only 647 coincidental deaths now. Sweet.

Yes, people die, and particularly those aged 65 and over.  The vast majority of the 656 folk who died after immunisation were 65 and over.  Inccidentally, the age standardised death rate for January to July 2021 was 246.1, comparable to the 245.8 recorded in 2020 and below the historical average of 262.5.  Not that 656 deaths would have much impact on our death rate but there's no reason to assume that the 647 deaths are anything but normal deaths from ischaemic heart disease or other common causes of death.

It is worth noting that only 9 deaths are linked to immunisation after 36.9 million doses have been administered. 

(11-12-2021, 06:37 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Did I ever say vaccines don't wane?

Name me another 'vaccine' that is dead useless after 6 months and next to useless after 2-3 months?

(11-12-2021, 08:13 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:The fact that a person received a COVID-19 vaccine some time prior to their death does not of itself make their death
reportable to the coroner. Underlying causes is a very convenient way of not having perform an autopsy, I think its very common sense to assume that Doctors would not be encouraged by hospital admins to investigate or write death certificates with CoVid19 Vaccination as the probable cause of death. As most would know death certificates written up with underlying causes usually include all known conditions the deceased suffered from but I'd bet CoVid vax isnt in on too many of those lists as a potential cause of death. Respiratory failure is a favourite that covers a myriad of conditions because its the end result when you pass.....too easy to write that instead of investigating the real cause especially something sensitive like a vaccine caused death...

Quote:You do realise it [Ivermectin] has been on the WHO's list of most essential human drugs for decades and won the Nobel Prize in 2015?

Quote:I utterly despise and deny the remarks attributed to me on social media on September 8, 2021,” he wrote. “I reject both the substance and the tone of the remarks, and resent their presentation as a direct quotation. The tweet in question was not concerned with science. I am a biologist with no claim to expertise in the clinical evaluation of drugs against viral infections. Thus, I have not taken a stand in support of, or against, the efficacy of ivermectin against COVID-19.

(11-12-2021, 06:37 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:You're kidding David. Laughable frankly.

Did I ever say vaccines don't wane?

Name me another 'vaccine' that is dead useless after 6 months and next to useless after 2-3 months?

If you believe only 9 deaths of the 655 odd are caused by the vaccines, you must believe in Santa Claus.

You seen the report someone must complete? Not for the faint hearted.

Zero autopsies.

Fake news?

You refute studies and facts with rhetoric.

Miss this one?

https://www.bmj.com/content/375/bmj.n2635

Who would have thought a reputable company like Pfizer might fudge data. Oh wait.

Oh wait..... https://projects.propublica.org/graphics/bigpharma

Their partner GSK ain't squeaky clean either.