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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 11:13 AM)capcom link Wrote:Must say with EB and Thry posts, it's great to get the inside running on all perspectives to this bloody frightening pandemic.     

I read them all of course, regardless of member           
Cap, I just relay some of the stuff I get told, plenty of info I can't relay as well due to confidentiality and trust from those providing the info. Thry's info and observations are always accurate and delivered with a balanced perspective..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 11-09-2021

I just got back from driving one of my grandsons home from hospital.  His mouth and throat were swollen and he had difficulty breathing.  My daughter, who is a health worker, thought it was probably a reaction to a virus he has had for a couple of days (COVID test was negative) and called an ambulance.  The ambulance arrived within 10 minutes, he was in the emergency department 10 minutes later and was seen by a doctor immediately.

The doctor confirmed my daughter's "diagnosis" and gave the young fellow antihistamines and steroids.  They kept him under observation for a couple of hours and I drove him back home at about 0030, tired and a little wobbly but much better.

Mrs DJC was in ICU recently after a bad reaction to post-operative drugs.  Most of the ICU beds were empty and there were 5 or 6 ICU nurses providing Mrs DJC with excellent care.  They often had time for a chat and most were concerned about the potential for their ICU to be overwhelmed if vaccination rates weren't high enough.

Of course, both of the above were in Geelong, aka Sleepy Hollow.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mantis - 11-09-2021

Here is an interesting read. Something that might show some form of accountability. I hope it isn’t a link others have attached. I always have trouble with attached links.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme?fbclid=IwAR1MkzDvqf-KXUg7Fwm8SEZ5FDwZbwmJVNFw6zy3H8rxHquAAjZv2hLEMlA

If this works at least it might guide people to look in the right direction if something isn’t right and you need to follow up on a side effect. I hope nobody needs to feel any real side effects of any kind. Let me know if this site is genuine and if my attempt to put a link in place works. It appears to be quite recent. Do the walls have ears and eyes on this forum?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Macca37 - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 10:27 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:She's probably going to be ok. 

Particularly if she got vaccinated.

Thats the reality.
Thry, my wife and I have  been double vaccinated since July and expect to get a booster shot late January.

Just as an aside, my immuno-compromised brother and his wife moved from Sydney to Byron Bay a fortnight ago to live close to their adult children.  So far he has been unable to find a doctor who is not into "wellness" and natural remedies.

Last night he told me the local schools are having trouble remaining open as up to 40 percent of the teachers are refusing to be vaccinated.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 04:11 PM)Mantis date Wrote:Here is an interesting read. Something that might show some form of accountability. I hope it isn’t a link others have attached. I always have trouble with attached links.

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-and-programs/covid-19-vaccine-claims-scheme?fbclid=IwAR1MkzDvqf-KXUg7Fwm8SEZ5FDwZbwmJVNFw6zy3H8rxHquAAjZv2hLEMlA

If this works at least it might guide people to look in the right direction if something isn’t right and you need to follow up on a side effect. I hope nobody needs to feel any real side effects of any kind. Let me know if this site is genuine and if my attempt to put a link in place works. It appears to be quite recent. Do the walls have ears and eyes on this forum?
The scheme was announced quite a while back, the website lags a bit(months).

Governments and bureaucrats move so slowly the pandemic will probably be over before the first claim is ever processed! Wink

On this slow progress, some friends got smashed in the second storm that went through SE-Melbourne a fortnight back, now almost two weeks without power, no compo for the 1st week as it only kicks in second week. Insurers telling them it will be weeks or months before assessment and claim processing. That fits with my experience a few months back when we got smashed by a storm, insurers told us there was a 4 month waiting list as they are still processing people in Gippsland from the 2019 fires! So it is not always bureaucracy that moves slowly, so much for privatisation!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

God bless America.
[img width=550]https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/nearly-eight-in-ten-believe-or-are-unsure-about-at-least-one-common-falsehood-about-covid-19-or-the-vaccine-640x747.png[/img]
Ironic eh, over there they think COVID deaths are exaggerated, here we think vaccine side-effects are understated, there seems to be a unifying bias in those subjective opinions,.

For the life of me I can't make out what it is! :-\

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

You just knew this was coming, ultimately is it good or bad, what about here in OZ?

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/singapore-will-stop-free-treatment-of-unvaccinated-covid-patients-20211109-p597d3.html


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 11:22 PM)LP link Wrote:You just knew this was coming, ultimately is it good or bad, what about here in OZ?

https://www.theage.com.au/world/asia/singapore-will-stop-free-treatment-of-unvaccinated-covid-patients-20211109-p597d3.html

Didn't they just execute a mentally challenged small time drug dealer?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 11-10-2021

(11-09-2021, 09:05 PM)Macca37 link Wrote:Thry, my wife and I have  been double vaccinated since July and expect to get a booster shot late January.

Just as an aside, my immuno-compromised brother and his wife moved from Sydney to Byron Bay a fortnight ago to live close to their adult children.  So far he has been unable to find a doctor who is not into "wellness" and natural remedies.

Last night he told me the local schools are having trouble remaining open as up to 40 percent of the teachers are refusing to be vaccinated.

I understand.  This is a very delicate, and difficult thing for people.

No one wants to cause harm to anyone else, right?

So, when I hear that my colleagues 16 year old daughter has multiple class mates who have ended up in an Emergency Department with heart rates well over healthy levels, on the back end of receiving a vaccine, and our Triage Managers son who is in his 30's was admitted and is no longer able to drive a car because of myocarditis, and is now on a treatment plan for that and inelligible for a second vaccine, then what?

Sure.  This is anecdotal.  My anecdotal account of the pandemic doesn't quite measure up to the threat most people pin to COVID either, but, I am not stupid enough to believe that this is anything but my anecdotal view, when you hear it backed up by others, it changes things, and does raise some concerns and questions. 

We also need to be mindful that being fully transparent about vaccine side effects is a hinderance to "getting back to normal" because it will cause hesitancy in those who are truly unsure what they should do.  Not just here, but globally.  No one wants to hear that the vaccines aren't perfectly safe when they have been administered on a scale globally the way they have.  Not when the companies producing these things have basically signed away the liability to the individual receiving.  Not when people are starting to resume normal life, economies of scale are starting to return to normal, the government gets to avoid funding hospital beds for covid patients to quote yourself to the tune of $4000 a day, to administer a relatively cheap vaccine to make our covid problem dissapear and resume normality.

Thing is, are they just filling everyone with a false sense of security?

I don't have these answers.  When I hear first hand accounts of vaccine side effects, vs a lack of first hand of covid positives, it starts to make one a bit concerned that they are being hoodwinked.  When you work in and among front liners (I just completed setup of an area for the COVID community pathways call centre and have spoken to those staffing it and what they are seeing in the community of covid positives that arent in hospital or perhaps not even needing treatment), it makes it even harder to believe, but not impossible.  So we come to forums like this, and get told to get back into our boxes and stop asking questions.  I still think vaccination is the right thing to do, but maybe the risk assessments surrounding who gets and who shouldn't is the part that needs to be done better?


The one thing I did before I got vaccinated, is understand, that the only thing I know, is that I know nothing, it then becomes a matter of what and whom do you believe.  Sure, you can believe everyone that tells you vaccination is the key to beating covid.  yes, but the cane toad was once the answer to a different issue and it was backed by science, and has created its own problem.  Will the vaccine do similar?  I have no choice but to believe the health professionals, but when the counter argument is an argument that literally suits nobody then what?

Understand something.  When the world is returning to normal, and we still have people asking questions, odds are its because those questions have some validity to them.  Not just "dissenters" or "conspiracy theorists" or anti vaxxers.  When you see people attacking the validity of the question, without any real investigation or reasoning, then that in itself is a warning sign worth paying attention to.

https://pestsmart.org.au/toolkit-resource/how-did-the-cane-toad-arrive-in-australia/







Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-10-2021

(11-09-2021, 11:28 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Didn't they just execute a mentally challenged small time drug dealer?
They don't discriminate, wealth or poverty, health or illness is no excuse, if you deal drugs on the Asian Peninsula, Thailand, Malaysia or Indonesia, you're gone!

That is how the law should be or else you end up with a wealth based outcomes like the USA, where it comes down to the lawyer you can afford!