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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-09-2021

Mantis, I opened up this thread intending to post about the Atlantic article but when I saw your post I could hardly have done so without commenting on your post. So the Atlantic article wasn't a can of Mortein, even if the juxtaposition might suggest the contrary. Smile

For sure, if you reckon the Andrew Govt should be voted out, cast your vote that way. Although I'm a rusted on ALP voter, I'm not an ALP member and couldn't be bothered trying to change others' voting intentions, if that were even possible. One thing that irks me, though, is the notion that pandemic restrictions and mandates are tyrannical and anti-democratic when they are in fact implemented by democratically-elected governments. That's the point of elections. Conservatives are all law & order when conservative governments are elected: elections have consequences, if you don't like the laws, go back where you (or your ancestors) came from. But the moment a Labor Government comes in, suddenly the Government has no right to interfere with individual freedoms irrespective of the public interest, therefore the laws should be flouted as a moral crusade.   

This sort of attitude is on full display in the US with attempts to undermine the voting process, the rise of "sovereign rights", and the undermining of constitutional rights such as the right to abortion. An interesting article about Christian Dominionists paints a troubling picture of an anti-democratic strain of thought that has been influential in the rightwing in the US: How extremist Christian theology is driving the right-wing assault on democracy, Salon. And there are echoes of that thinking apparent over here too.

The issue of consistency in pandemic rules is certainly a minefield. When the Government has tried to be consistent by cracking down on parents taking advantage of playgrounds to enjoy picnics with friends when otherwise that wasn't permitted, it was pilloried with the idea being that this should have been ignored. But when big events happen, people get out the fine tooth combs to tease out inconsistencies with other entertainment venues.

Firstly, consistency is overrated. I remember listening to Fatprick Smith telling KB that the AFL's new rules to protect the head against bumps were desirable, but the AFL should act consistently when it came to marking situations. He believed a player who raised his knee or otherwise threw himself into a pack should be rubbed out if he made contact with the head of another player. If you live your life being a slave to consistency, then it will be a mess. There are nuances and differences between situations. In the big event example, opening them up to double-vaxxed people drives vaccinations and that's in the public interest. As those events are generally more secure than your average cafe, it's easier to ensure that only the double-vaxxed gain entry. The small mom & pop cafe will find it hard to enforce those rules as they don't have turnstiles protected by security with police in attendance to quell disturbances. Anti-vaxxers find it harder to make an impact at those events than they do at the local cafe. If you want to make an impact on the mood of the State by providing bread and circuses, this is the way to go. I don't like it particularly and I wouldn't want to go to those events but I can see their utility in psychological terms. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:34 AM)Mav date Wrote:The small mom & pop cafe will find it hard to enforce those rules as they don't have turnstiles protected by security with police in attendance to quell disturbances.
Exactly.

The protestors are not the brave defenders of the weak and oppressed that they claim to be, but are the jackals feeding on the outliers and isolated fringes of the herd. It is utterly gutless behaviour!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 11-09-2021

And no-one appears to notice how the global numbers have dropped ... dear me.

But the NT chief minister and that arse McGowan squeal like stuck pigs at every chance they get to make political capital. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:34 AM)Mav date Wrote:The issue of consistency in pandemic rules is certainly a minefield. When the Government has tried to be consistent by cracking down on parents taking advantage of playgrounds to enjoy picnics with friends when otherwise that wasn't permitted, it was pilloried with the idea being that this should have been ignored. But when big events happen, people get out the fine tooth combs to tease out inconsistencies with other entertainment venues.
I had a discussion along similar lines just the other day, we looked at how Burythemall had used police and health officials to target specific demographics, it would have been impossible to do the same here in Victoria without being slammed as a racist! Burythemall got away with it because in the zones that concentrated focus was on a lot of non-Australians, Pacific Islanders and Kiwis or 457 workers, and because she had the support of a Federal government!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:40 AM)capcom date Wrote:But the NT chief minister and that arse McGowan squeal like stuck pigs at every chance they get to make political capital.
Yet nobody criticising those governments seems to notice the very low vaccination rates in those regions, or associate it as a cause to retain restrictions until vaccination rates climb!

If they let COVID into indigenous outposts do you think they would be lauded for opening the states to preserve "privilege white freedom"? They are on a hiding to nothing needing to protect a minority from another minority!

Again COVID doesn't discriminate, you can't wait it out, it will get to where you are eventually it is just a matter of when!

One day there will be one last unvaccinated person who never got COVID, and he'll proudly state "I told you so", without any thanks for the efforts! Wink

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:34 AM)Mav link Wrote:.....................................

This sort of attitude is on full display in the US with attempts to undermine the voting process, the rise of "sovereign rights", and the undermining of constitutional rights such as the right to abortion. An interesting article about Christian Dominionists paints a troubling picture of an anti-democratic strain of thought that has been influential in the rightwing in the US: How extremist Christian theology is driving the right-wing assault on democracy, Salon. And there are echoes of that thinking apparent over here too.
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This has been building for a long time. The Christian Right in the US are very powerful and very wealthy. They have established their owns schools, universities, politicians, wealthy donors, media outlets etc. We should be very afraid. They mean business, and they're not the types that can reason all that well.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:49 AM)PaulP date Wrote:This has been building for a long time. The Christian Right in the US are very powerful and very wealthy. They have established their owns schools, universities, politicians, wealthy donors, media outlets etc. We should be very afraid. They mean business, and they're not the types that can reason all that well.
I'm not sure we have to consign ourselves to watching this from far anymore! :o

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 11-09-2021

Authoritarians don't need to reason. Might is right, and when you have God on your side you're as mighty as they come.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:52 AM)Mav date Wrote:Authoritarians don't need to reason. Might is right, and when you have God on your side you're as mighty as they come.
Religion is a bit different, if they die in ICU it is God's will, if they survive it is God's will, ................ you can't argue with that because you have no influence over God's will!

Combine that with Authoritarian or should we say, Autocracy, and things get very bad very quickly. What could possibly be worse, ......... putting a narcissistic psychopath in the big chair? Where could that possibly happen? :Smile

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 11-09-2021

(11-09-2021, 03:44 AM)LP link Wrote:Yet nobody criticising those governments seems to notice the very low vaccination rates in those regions, or associate it as a cause to retain restrictions until vaccination rates climb!

Quite aware of that LP.  In fact, very.