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Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 05:46 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The same way you measure dark energy.
I can detect God with redshift, doppler effect and spectroscopy, how?
(12-10-2018, 05:46 AM)PaulP link Wrote:There is no evidence. I repeat. There is no evidence. I repeat. There is no evidence.
So a return to dogma, I'm not here to offend or frustrate you, but you must be aware if you post rubbish as fact I'll have to call it out!
The evidence for those things is a solid and as tangible as that thing you trip over in the dark before you turn on the light, the explanation doesn't yet exist other than as hypothesis, no blind faith or belief required!
Should I stay in the dark and blame a God, if I were mischievous I'd ask which one?
Re: SSM Plebiscite - PaulP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 05:54 AM)LP link Wrote:I can detect God with redshift, doppler effect and spectroscopy, how?
So a return to dogma, I'm not here to offend or frustrate you, but you must be aware if you post rubbish as fact I'll have to call it out!
The evidence for those things is a solid and as tangible as that thing you trip over in the dark before you turn on the light, the explanation doesn't yet exist other than as hypothesis, no blind faith or belief required!
Should I stay in the dark and blame a God, if I were mischievous I'd ask which one?
Show me this evidence. Give me a link, a paper, an article, anything.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 05:58 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Show me this evidence. Give me a link, a paper, an article, anything.
https://arxiv.org/search/astro-ph?query=cdm&searchtype=all&abstracts=show&order=-announced_date_first&size=50
Here is 4197 related to cold dark matter, happy reading!
Within a decade or two both the LSST and SKA will make the data freely available to one and all, by then we'll probably have data crunching super computers in our watch, maybe even quantum computers! ;D
Re: SSM Plebiscite - PaulP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:00 AM)LP link Wrote:https://arxiv.org/search/astro-ph?query=cdm&searchtype=all&abstracts=show&order=-announced_date_first&size=50
Happy reading!
So nothing for the common man ? Despite this plethora of evidence, you can't show me one simple layman's article ?
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:01 AM)PaulP link Wrote:So nothing for the common man ? Despite this plethora of evidence, you can't show me one simple layman's article ?
All the articles contain abstracts written in common language, all 4197 of them, no matter what your level of comfort with the math or concepts. The articles are all published in English which you clearly read!
Keep in mind PaulP, do not confuse a missing "what is" with an "is not!"
btw., here is some 8864 freely available articles on whatever dark energy may be;
https://arxiv.org/search/astro-ph?query=dark+energy&searchtype=all&abstracts=show&order=-announced_date_first&size=50
Re: SSM Plebiscite - PaulP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:03 AM)LP link Wrote:All the articles contain abstracts written in common language, all 4197 of them, not matter what your level of comfort with the math or concepts.
Keep in mind PaulP, do not confuse a missing "what" with an "is not!"
This sort of knowledge is not minor or insignificant - the Cosmos article makes it very clear, the science community is getting antsy after decades of searching. They are desperate to find any proof that these things exist, and the minute that happens they will be crowing to the world.
I won't be reading any of those papers, because they will be a waste of time.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - northernblue - 12-10-2018
Paul, try this NASA link, slightly easier reading no slight intended.
https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/9-12/features/what-is-dark-matter.html
And a slightly deeper but still comprehendable article with further links at the bottom...
https://science.nasa.gov/astrophysics/focus-areas/what-is-dark-energy
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:08 AM)PaulP link Wrote:This sort of knowledge is not minor or insignificant - the Cosmos article makes it very clear, the science community is getting antsy after decades of searching. They are desperate to find any proof that these things exist, and the minute that happens they will be crowing to the world.
I won't be reading any of those papers, because they will be a waste of time.
Well that isn't surprising.
But even your Comos article doesn't support your claims, it's not debating the existence of those things(dark or light) whatever they may be, it's debating the explanations and understanding of them, and that is exactly what science is about!
I know you realise none of this affects your religion, science is not an attack on religion, it never was and never will be. But you cannot claim science is dogmatic or a religion if a scientists asks you for proof, that is a religious perspective imposed on science.
When a scientist like Dawkins expresses his disbelief in God, he is not doing so from a scientific perspective, he does so from a belief base because there is no scientific evidence one way or the other. Dawkins is accused of parodying religion using religions own belief and faith systems, and he is very good at it. Being a scientist doesn't exclude him from being a prick, just as being a priest doesn't exclude someone from being a pedophile!
You cannot prove religion by disproving science, it's a false premise.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - PaulP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:13 AM)northernblue link Wrote:Paul, try this NASA link, slightly easier reading no slight intended.
https://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/9-12/features/what-is-dark-matter.html
No insult taken. I know I'm a dumbo.
That article simply gives a brief history of the concept and shows how scientists are studying or attempting to study dark matter. And if that article is correct, which I'm sure it is, then we are coming up to nearly 100 years of studying this idea, and still nothing.
Re: SSM Plebiscite - LP - 12-10-2018
(12-10-2018, 06:21 AM)PaulP link Wrote:No insult taken. I know I'm a dumbo.
That article simply gives a brief history of the concept and shows how scientists are studying or attempting to study dark matter. And if that article is correct, which I'm sure it is, then we are coming up to nearly 100 years of studying this idea, and still nothing.
The absence of an answer or explanation is not the same as an absence of evidence, they are not the same thing and you are just repeating the same failed logic.