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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 08:49 AM)capcom link Wrote:No, refuse to do it under any circumstances
Why

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 04-27-2020

Census information, tracking of online activity, release (intended or otherwise) of health records, hold over all travel information, CC transactions, phone numbers ....

This intrusion is one step too far.  Regardless of the government in power.  Cede them nothing

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 04-27-2020

(04-27-2020, 10:40 AM)capcom link Wrote:Census information, tracking of online activity, release (intended or otherwise) of health records, hold over all travel information, CC transactions, phone numbers ....

This intrusion is one step too far.  Regardless of the government in power.  Cede them nothing

Agree.

Even IF the government is 100% above board with their end (however unlikely that might be) the chance of hackers doing their thing should be enough to scare you off.

For the record, the app (supposedly) doesn't actually track where you are. It does NOT know your location (or at least that part is not working at present if it is supposed to) it just tracks who you have been in contact with.
So if someone you have been in contact with get the virus, theoretically the system can send a message to everyone that person has had contact with.....and send every person THOSE people have been in contact with a message too, etc.

Not a bad idea in theory, but you are opening yourself up to all sorts of pain and potentially giving up a lot of information (directly or indirectly) in the process.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 04-27-2020

They have all our information, you are naive to think they dont. You have a TFN dont you? You pay tax right? You have a medicare card right? We all surf the net, bank online, all this is out there.
As far as Government using your information for the good of the community, If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have anything to worry about IMO.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 04-27-2020

GTC.  Are you talking to Kruddler or to me?  I reckon I've made my point.  Not going to change it.

BUT I will add this.  How many people never get to scrutinise documents before they're shredded by state governments after they're kicked out of power?  Truckloads full of the bins on the Sunday / Monday after the election that THEY kept from us.  Why would anyone of us enable that level of secrecy without some questions to them regarding why they "demand" the opposite from us?



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 04-27-2020

Yes - they have all our information, and a lot of other 'people' do too and no doubt if anyone wanted my information, they probably have it.  The 'if you've got nothing to hide it doesn't matter' (which I sort of agree with) erodes our privacy and personal information.

What apps like this do is extend what should be private into the norm.  Once restrictions are eased, how long are they going to keep it active?  What happens when the next issue comes along?  Is the app really deleted once this is over.  How easy is it for others to Phish/scam from doing this (one already exposed)?  What is the next level of 'tracking' going to be?  How does this spill over into the private market?

It is one of the biggest ethical issues of our time - just because we can, does it mean we should?






Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Gointocarlton - 04-28-2020

To me, I think it's about being clever with tech and use every means possible to ultimately save lives. We, as a community, are obliged to assist to fight this thing without being suspicious of government at every corner. This isnt North Korea kids, or the US for that matter (thank fark). I completely understand the privacy thing, but if we don't use tech to fight diseases, criminal activity, pedophilia, violence towards woman and children and terrorism to name a few, we may as well pack up, shut down all the computers and go back to the caves. If tech saves my daughter from a rapist or a terrorist, or my mates Dad who passed away last week from Covid, then I say go your hardest.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Professer E - 04-28-2020

The "bracket creep" deterioration of our rights concerns me with this government.  Exactly when do things like this app get switched off/dialled back etc. It's national identity cards all over again,  by stealth.

BTW,  fancy China threatening boycotts.

I'm sure our community and the environment will greatly  appreciate not having millions of tons of rubbish consumer goods and plastic being dumped on us,  meanwhile they can chow down on Panda and Carp grown in sewerage farms, and babies can enjoy paint manufacturing waste being sold as milk powder.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-28-2020

If this link between COVID-19 and childhood illness turns out to be real you can expect this lock-down situation to go to a whole new level!

What will the likes of Andrew Bolt and Alan Jones say if their grandchildren are at risk?

When us old farts were dying, a lot of the extremist left and right wing media said tough luck for you, cheap home loans for us. If their kids are at risk they'll be shooting people who approach on sight!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 04-28-2020

(04-27-2020, 12:45 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:They have all our information, you are naive to think they dont. You have a TFN dont you? You pay tax right? You have a medicare card right? We all surf the net, bank online, all this is out there.
As far as Government using your information for the good of the community, If you have nothing to hide you shouldn't have anything to worry about IMO.

Yep. Google, Apple, Samsung, Facebook are all on another level to this covid app.