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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-24-2021

I’d be interested to know how rigorous the quarantine would have been. I’m thinking they would have been allowed out to practice, go to the gym, go for runs and eat in any premises that could lawfully have served them. In other words, the quarantine you do when you’re not in quarantine.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-24-2021

Delta Plus has also gained a foothold in Israel.

Those are the two places to keep an eye on. UK and Israel.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-24-2021

(10-24-2021, 11:04 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Unvaccinated tennis players will be allowed at the Aus open but they have to quarantine for 14 days.

They have to do hard quarantine, then stay in a bubble outside of being on court, very few will take up that offer as they will be at a huge disadvantage unable to practise, prepare and socialise to the same degree as vaccinated players. They are basically segregated from everybody else outside of being on court.

By the authorities not saying no it basically puts the decision back onto the individual regarding vaccination or no vaccination, it's basically the same as the rules for unvaccinated locals and I don't see it as a double standard at all!

You are free not to be unvaccinated, but everyone else is not obliged to make special arrangements to comply with your choice.

As far as I can tell, they are the same basic quarantine rules for returning unvaccinated Australian's, and the reduced freedoms are basically the same, excluding the bubble the international players must obey after quarantine ends.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-24-2021

Thinking more about the Aus Open, we need to avoid thinking about current restrictions. What will be the restrictions come the start of the new year? It may be that there won't be many restrictions in Victoria save perhaps for mask mandates and perhaps vaccine passports. Maybe they won't even exist.

The real quandary for TA is getting the players into Australia. If the Federal Govt allows unvaccinated people into Australia by then provided they do 14 days quarantine, then the Victorian Govt may not have any restrictions that will stop unvaccinated players from playing in the Aus Open. The only issue would be whether vaccine mandates will apply to players. Who knows what the vaccine mandate will be by then? After all, there's a current challenge to the vaccine mandate wending its way through the Supreme Court with 100 plaintiffs attached to it.

The ball seems to be firmly in the Fed Govt's court. Maybe the TA email was more of a projection of the restrictions that will apply in the new year rather than a suggestion that they will have an exemption from current restrictions. But if that's the case, this was a PR blunder as it's easy to assume it's a case of TA getting an advantage.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-25-2021

(10-24-2021, 11:58 PM)Mav date Wrote:Thinking more about the Aus Open, we need to avoid thinking about current restrictions. What will be the restrictions come the start of the new year? It may be that there won't be many restrictions in Victoria save perhaps for mask mandates and perhaps vaccine passports. Maybe they won't even exist.

I think one of the problems is the Feds are perceived to be having a bob each way, calling for states to open up but then enforcing quarantine rules confuses the public, but I don't see those decisions as a contradiction at all!

They won't make any genuine changes for months, it'll be early in the New Year before we see significant changes if any. At the moment the current conditions favour vaccinated and healthy people, the politicians see themselves in that group with very few acknowledging their own age or fragility. That's a problem of human perception, old, frail or vulnerable is always someone else when the observer is healthy! But the risk is some new variant won't respect those boundaries, in much the same way that Delta has bent the age limits.

As much as some new variant can be a negative, it also has some positives, because vaccine refusal has plummeted as more and more youthful cases of COVID surface. There are very few youthful hold outs now, and rightly so, adolescents are no longer seeing themselves as immune!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 10-25-2021

(10-25-2021, 12:05 AM)LP link Wrote:I think one of the problems is the Feds are perceived to be having a bob each way, calling for states to open up but then enforcing quarantine rules confuses the public, but I don't see those decisions as a contradiction at all!

They won't make any genuine changes for months, it'll be early in the New Year before we see significant changes if any. At the moment the current conditions favour vaccinated and healthy people, the politicians see themselves in that group with very few acknowledging their own age or fragility. That's a problem of human perception, old, frail or vulnerable is always someone else when the observer is healthy! But the risk is some new variant won't respect those boundaries, in much the same way that Delta has bent the age limits.

As much as some new variant can be a negative, it also has some positives, because vaccine refusal has plummeted as more and more youthful cases of COVID surface. There are very few youthful hold outs now, and rightly so, adolescents are no longer seeing themselves as immune!

As Dan Andrews pointed out on the wireless today, the Federal Government has placed a quota on the number of unvaccinated Australians who can return to Australia, quite rightly, because our quarantine capacity is limited. Andrews said that it would be wrong to give priority to unvaccinated tennis players and I think that's fair enough. I'm assuming that the returning Aussies have valid reasons for not being vaccinated.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 10-25-2021

Dan is happy to force spectators and workers at the Australian open to be vaccinated why is he gun shy here?
Wouldn't be worried about the tournament going to Sydney would he?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 10-26-2021

Wife took her dad and our 4 year old out to a cafe this morning. Her dad was rejected because he isn't double jabbed yet, he gets his second shot tomorrow.
The young lady who rejected them copped an earful, not from my wife or her father who was embarrassed but my son who was promised a milk shake.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 10-26-2021

4 year olds aren't the easiest to deal with when they lose it, and trying to teach them anything can sometimes feel like a waste of time, but hopefully it was explained to him that the young lady was trying to do the right thing, and I assume he was offered a takeaway milkshake, which is not a bad consolation prize.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-26-2021

While MBBs partner was a victim of circumstance not everyone out and about at the moment is acting innocently.

There are some horror stories coming out of various outer metro regions from last weekend relating the abhorrent behaviour of antivaxxers targeting small businesses. I feel genuinely sorry for the small business owners, they have every right to make a living and they are also free to choose compliance or non-compliance with the law, when they choose to comply they should not have to put up with cockheads roaming around lighting fires!

Several small café owners have also been targeted with vandalism for complying with the current laws.

Of course this is why vigilantism is illegal, no matter what side of the debate it exists on it will nearly always hurt the innocent! I also fear there is a rising intolerance that might see some very bad outcomes.

I also find it ironic that the staunch anti-vaxers aren't out targeting and closing some big venue like a popular pub full of punters, instead they seem to always target Ma and Pa type businesses, it's gutless and exposes the protestors as the parasites that they are!