(10-17-2021, 08:59 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:We can't hide in our homes forever kruddler.

We've had government mandates, everyone has had their chance to get vaccinated we need to start returning to as normal as possible.

Our lockdowns are going to be less effective anyway as we proceed with freedoms for the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are going to continue to remain so until they change their mind or the mandate is lifted.


When the hospitals feel some pressure we can adjust again but thus far, I see a lot of extremely tired people in health care who are as exhausted from the protection measures and lack of social life as they are from the pandemic.

(10-17-2021, 09:58 AM)kruddler date Wrote:I'm just pointing out that letting everyone 'be free' is not the end of the argument and there are consequences to that.

(10-17-2021, 09:08 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:You would be hard pressed to make a tax payer foot the bill for health care their taxes are supposed to cover.

It will get worse, but there are measures in place that haven't been required at this stage and im pretty sure where I work a 700 (there are more but they've closed beds for donning and doffing ppe) bed hospital with less than 100 covid patients means there's a bit of room to move.

(10-17-2021, 11:28 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:Thry, I understand the point of your first sentence.

What annoys me is the fact that the Federal Government has spent taxpayer dollars allocated for health on vaccines to protect every eligible person,  and yet those who refuse to have the vaccine, for whatever reason, unnecessarily overload the health system when they contract covid.

When this happens people with other medical conditions are denied their rights to health care which they have also paid for with their taxes.

i know four people who have had elective surgery cancelled as a direct result of covid overloading of the health system.

(10-17-2021, 11:35 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:In NSW, they currently have 606 in hospital, 132 in ICU, and 71 on ventilators and there last few weeks have seen falling case numbers at really strong rates, which indicates that the vaccinations do stop the spread.

(10-18-2021, 01:50 AM)Mav date Wrote:You'd think that this is the rational conclusion to draw, but conspiracy theories are like the Black Knight: it doesn't matter how many fatal cuts they suffer, they never die. The success of the vaccination program will be used against it: "They said it would kill a lot of people but it didn't, so we know Covid was a hoax". And anti-vaxxers will try to credit Ivermectin, Vitamin C and sunlight for the better-than-expected hospitalisation data. It really doesn't matter if you lose the war as long as you get to rewrite history to say you won.