Carlton Supporters Club
CV and mad panic behaviour - Printable Version

+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Social Club (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-6.html)
+--- Forum: Blah-Blah Bar (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-23.html)
+--- Thread: CV and mad panic behaviour (/thread-4651.html)

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 78 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 115 116 117 118 119 120 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 155 156 157 158 159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 173 174 175 176 177 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 186 187 188 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 203 204 205 206 207 208 209 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 233 234 235 236 237 238 239 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 252 253 254 255 256 257 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 266 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 287 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 312 313 314 315 316 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 328 329 330 331 332 333 334 335 336 337 338 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 352 353 354 355 356 357 358 359 360 361 362 363 364 365 366 367 368 369 370 371 372 373 374 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 402 403 404 405 406 407 408 409 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 422 423 424 425 426 427 428 429 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 447 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 463 464 465 466 467 468 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 493 494 495 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 521 522 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 569 570 571 572 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 611 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 641 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 660 661 662 663 664 665 666 667 668 669 670 671 672 673 674 675 676 677 678 679 680 681 682 683 684 685 686 687 688 689 690 691 692 693 694 695 696 697 698 699 700 701 702 703 704 705 706 707 708 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 716 717 718 719 720 721 722 723 724 725 726 727 728 729 730 731 732 733 734 735 736 737 738 739 740 741 742 743


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-15-2021

An interesting spin on all this liberty and freedom of choice debate is where a business stands versus the individual. It may well be true some individual liberties have been violated and cannot be enforced on the individual, but it's not clear at all that business cannot be forced to be compliant, and I suspect this is where it goes next.

If they make the digital certificate process two-factor, where Part-A comes from the individual and Part-B comes from the business, a bit like PKI, then they can track and trace businesses that fail to comply, simply because some clients will have legitimate Apps and certificates. They may not be able to penalise a fraudulent individual, but they can surely make accepting forgeries very expensive or uncomfortable for the a business. Auditors would quickly see a trend appearing in the trading data for any business that was 'sympathetic' to fraudulent clients.

In effect they can make it so onerous on fraudsters or fraudulent businesses that it potentially becomes impossible to deal!


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 10-15-2021

(10-14-2021, 10:01 PM)Mav link Wrote:Hell no, she’s on her way to sainthood after being a martyr to ICAC, so best avoid that.

Brilliant opinion piece from Michael Gerson in the Washington Post. When you’re reading this, bear in mind he is a neo-conservative and former speechwriter for George Dubya:

Brilliant? Facile more likely.

Why is CV19 anything to do with politics?

And herein lies your problem:

Quote:But if these vaccines are carefully tested and encourage greater immunity to a deadly disease, with minimal risk of side effects

That is laughable.

They have not been carefully tested - a blatant lie - studies are still ongoing. I understand some animal studies were skipped and several other tests eg relating to fertility.

They do not encourage greater immunity - even the manufacturer's acknowledge this fact.

And there is not minimal risk of side effects (and no one has any idea about the longer term issues - as we aren't there yet).

Brilliant?

Far from it.







Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 10-15-2021

(10-15-2021, 07:47 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:And there is not minimal risk of side effects (and no one has any idea about the longer term issues - as we aren't there yet).

Brilliant?

Far from it.
This may or may not be correct.

BUT...
We do know of some long term effects from Covid.

There is 2 doors.
You can 'take your chances' with the most likely safe long term effects before door #1 (get vaxed)
or
Go behind door #2 where you know there is something that can give you long term effects or even kill you....and those around you.

For some unknown reason you are choosing door #2.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-15-2021

Judge dismisses challenges to NSW COVID-19 vaccination orders for workers, abc.net.au.
Quote:Each unvaccinated worker cited similar concerns about insufficient long-term data on COVID-19 vaccine safety and side effects.

The cases used various arguments to attack the validity of the health orders but contained common threads.

They contended that the orders violated rights to bodily integrity and privacy, implemented civil conscription, represented a breach of natural justice and were made by Health Minister Brad Hazzard without clear legislative authority.

He said any consideration about the reasonableness of orders should be undertaken by reference to the objects of the public health act, which were "directed exclusively at public safety".

The judge found that if an order was made interfering with freedom of movement and differentiating on "arbitrary grounds" unrelated to public health risks, such as race or gender, it would be at "severe risk" of being found to be invalid.

"However, the differential treatment of people according to their vaccination status is not arbitrary," Justice Beech-Jones wrote in his judgment.

"Instead, it applies a discrimen, namely vaccination status, that on the evidence and the approach taken by the minister is very much consistent with the objects of the Public Health Act."

The judge further rejected a constitutional argument about civil conscription and an asserted inconsistency with the immunisation register act.

"So far as the right to bodily integrity is concerned, it is not violated as the impugned orders do not authorise the involuntary vaccination of anyone," he said.

"Curtailing the free movement of persons, including their movement to and at work, are the very type of restrictions that the public health act clearly authorises."

The judgment was broadcast over a live stream on YouTube where some 40,000 people watched. Let’s hope the vaccine hesitant now have another reason to stop tilting at windmills and get their jabs like responsible citizens do for the public good.

Of course, the Victorian challenges may be able to find more support in the bill of rights, but the more general notion that vaccine mandates are unfair and unreasonable has taken a major hit.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-15-2021

I’d just emphasise that this line is relevant to every jurisdiction:

Quote:"So far as the right to bodily integrity is concerned, it is not violated as the impugned orders do not authorise the involuntary vaccination of anyone," he said

I know that opponents of vaccine mandates like to say they force people to take vaccines, but that’s not true. There is still a choice and no force is used. A failure to vaccinate won’t mean the unvaccinated will be shut out of work in their field or from entertainment venues permanently. They can wait for Covid to pass and those restrictions will end, just as lockdown restrictions come and go. Any restriction is temporary.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-15-2021

Anyone wonder why Ivermectin was being pushed?

Australians still keen to buy Covid-19 drug ivermectin, as misinformation complaints are investigated, news.com.au.

Quote:According to hacked data provided to The Intercept, a network of health care providers pocketed millions of dollars selling drugs like ivermectin through online consultations.

It found that America’s Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group founded last year to promote pro-Trump doctors during the pandemic, was working with a small network of health care companies to create concern around vaccines, and to push people into investing in unproven treatments.

At least $15 million was reportedly spent by patients on consultations and medications combined, with some people paying exorbitant prices for drugs like ivermectin.

And I thought they were doing it to help people ...


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 10-15-2021

(10-15-2021, 08:51 AM)Mav link Wrote:Judge dismisses challenges to NSW COVID-19 vaccination orders for workers, abc.net.au.
The judgment was broadcast over a live stream on YouTube where some 40,000 people watched. Let’s hope the vaccine hesitant now have another reason to stop tilting at windmills and get their jabs like responsible citizens do for the public good.

Of course, the Victorian challenges may be able to find more support in the bill of rights, but the more general notion that vaccine mandates are unfair and unreasonable has taken a major hit.

It will be appealed.




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 10-15-2021

(10-15-2021, 09:47 AM)Mav link Wrote:Anyone wonder why Ivermectin was being pushed?

Australians still keen to buy Covid-19 drug ivermectin, as misinformation complaints are investigated, news.com.au.

And I thought they were doing it to help people ...

You need to get out more Mav.

It works.

c19ivermectin.com

Funny how these new pills are so wonderful, with a lower efficacy....hmmm.

Wait? They cost 100x as much? That can't be....surely...

Thomas Borody says hi. To your missus too.




Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 10-15-2021

c19ivermectin.com


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-15-2021

I didn’t realise the drug has its own website. it must work against Covid, then.