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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

I don't read it that way, but I can see why you do. That's what I was suggesting with the strange bedfellows comment earlier. There are essentially different groups coming together in common cause against those in charge. I'd imagine the neo-Nazis would be happy to beat the crap out of the Nimbin type anti-vaxxers at any other time who in turn would loath the neo-Nazis. Each group would be hoping to take advantage of the protests (and indeed the other groups) for their own purposes. And then you have a bloke like Craig Kelly hoping to gain the support of all the different groups that are part of the wider campaign. Very messy but very concerning that the far right might be able to use this as a recruiting tool. And it's those who aren't part of any group who are the ones who are seen as forming the potential pool of recruits. It's just politics.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Macca37 - 10-12-2021

The depressing news is that Craig Kelly's new political party, completely lacking any policies and with him mouthing off against the democratic process with meaningless slogans, has recruited 64,000 members.

Words fail me.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-12-2021

(10-12-2021, 06:52 AM)madbluboy date Wrote:The family I know who got covid are not allowed to get vaccinated for 6 months.

I heard that a recovery from a COVID infection gives about 6 months of immunity to the specific infection strain, but that type of immunity is not as broad acting or as long lasting as the vaccines. Just this week I also listened to a podcast from Europe that recommends people who have had COVID should get a booster shot of vaccine within 12 weeks and they might be as protected as people who have had two vaccine shots. I think one of those Dr Campbell videos SPF linked also stated something similar.

There is a difference though between a real COVID infection and a COVID vaccine, the real infection apparently supresses the immune system of the patient and the vaccine doesn't. But I don't know what that means for getting the vaccine.

Could this be related to some other medicine they have been given?

Now Europe and the USA are also talking about potentially doing cross vaccination for the booster shots, the evidence is getting stronger this is producing the best immunity. But there are still concerns about potential side effects if you do this for a lots and lots of people, so they are talking cross vaccination for vulnerable people only at this stage.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 10-12-2021

I know 3 people in the UK who've had triple jabs (all Pfizer) and all good. But things can change with the China virus

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-12-2021

Boosters in the USA are as LP said for older folk ie 65 plus and those with serious ongoing health conditions.Lack of safety data being the concern..
I think people should be blood tested to work out their immunity levels before receiving boosters.. Dr Campbell raised some interesting points on those videos.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-12-2021

Setup my phone for this vax certificate, easy to do and you hit the icon next to the check in bar and go across to certificates and you get a nice tick in a green box with your details displayed giving you permission to resume a normal life...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

I have a Samsung that won’t download the requisite iteration of Android. Such is life ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-13-2021

(10-12-2021, 09:03 PM)LP link Wrote:I heard that a recovery from a COVID infection gives about 6 months of immunity to the specific infection strain, but that type of immunity is not as broad acting or as long lasting as the vaccines. Just this week I also listened to a podcast from Europe that recommends people who have had COVID should get a booster shot of vaccine within 12 weeks and they might be as protected as people who have had two vaccine shots. I think one of those Dr Campbell videos SPF linked also stated something similar.

There is a difference though between a real COVID infection and a COVID vaccine, the real infection apparently supresses the immune system of the patient and the vaccine doesn't. But I don't know what that means for getting the vaccine.

Could this be related to some other medicine they have been given?

Now Europe and the USA are also talking about potentially doing cross vaccination for the booster shots, the evidence is getting stronger this is producing the best immunity. But there are still concerns about potential side effects if you do this for a lots and lots of people, so they are talking cross vaccination for vulnerable people only at this stage.

At our work IPAC are not okaying vaccinating if you were infected within 6 months.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-13-2021

Seperately, this is why i say empathising and education is key.

https://www.theage.com.au/national/is-there-any-point-in-arguing-with-people-20211012-p58z7v.html

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-13-2021

I’m not sure the article supports your argument. It points out that there’s a backlash effect which means that presenting contrary facts can have the perverse effect of strengthening beliefs. The expert quoted says:

Quote:The evidence does not suggest that humans are unable to argue sensibly. Rather, it is a small group of people – the most entrenched – who are least likely to be convinced by a good argument.

The obvious solution to that, says Dr Grant, is to simply ignore them.

“If it’s a democratic vote, what do we need to get to? 50 per cent plus one. There are a whole bunch of issues in society where you don’t need to convince everyone .... even on vaccines.”

That’s the idea behind the vaccine mandate, a policy enacted by democratic governments around the world.

Now, if you’re saying that there are vaccine hesitants who might be persuaded by facts, then I agree we should attempt to understand their concerns and educate them. But as we’ve discussed before, it’s hard to say how this could be achieved in the current social media environment.