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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

You're joking, right? ANTIFA is a label. It's just a shortening of anti-fascist, and just describes people who counter-protest against fascists as in Charlottesville. Yet Trump and conservatives like to treat it as a gang or party with some central organisation. Even the FBI has acknowledged it isn't a group, it's an ideology.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

The Governor of Texas, Gregt Abbott, has become the saviour of those who are concerned for their autonomy over their own bodies:
Texas Governor Bans All Vaccine Mandates In The State, Huffpost.

As vaccine protestors would say, "My body, my choice". The only problem with that is that such protestors have hijacked that slogan from the pro-Choice movement and yet Abbott signed into law an anti-abortion law that enables anti-abortion activists to sue anyone who gives any assistance to those who seek abortions, even if that's just giving them a lift. It seems that the right to control one's own body free of government interference is a bit of a slippery concept.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 10-12-2021

(10-12-2021, 03:36 AM)Mav link Wrote:Crikey's take on the Real Rukshan: click HERE

All I did was click on your link and read the article and now my phone is getting alerts saying thanks for subscribing to crikey.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

I clicked on the link I posted (which is just what you get when you google Rukshan) and there's nothing like that on my end. There's a blocked pop-up saying Crikey wants to send notifications, but that's pretty standard when you surf the net. Perhaps time to adjust your settings?

There's also a banner headline giving the option to subscribe as there is with most news sites. You didn't get click-happy did you?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-12-2021

Open the link in a private browser session/tab and it opens up fine.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-12-2021

For those interested in a bit more depressing, not rapidly vaccinating the globe is becoming a huge issue.

I heard an epidemiologist complaining that there is now an Ebola outbreak happening in tandem with a COVID outbreak. Apparently this is very bad news, as in keep virologists up at night bad news, it seems if a patient gets both there is a small possibility the two somehow combine to make a new super-virus. I thought they were taking the piss like a Hollywood movie script!

I was waiting for the virologist who was also on the panel to step in a kybosh the idea, but they didn't, I'm not sure what to think of that silence! :o

Apparently, one of the mechanisms that Sars-CoV-2 might diversify itself is to combine with the product of some other common virus, even like a rhinovirus(common cold). The more people that get infected, no matter how severe, the greater than chance of it happening!

The one and only truly good solution with a chance of working, get vaccinated!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

There has certainly been commentary from experts before that different variants of Covid can result in a recombination which combines the most troubling aspects of those variants. Of course, it requires the patient to catch both. But I haven't heard of 2 different viruses combining in that way.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-12-2021

(10-12-2021, 05:58 AM)Mav date Wrote:There has certainly been commentary from experts before that different variants of Covid can result in a recombination which combines the most troubling aspects of those variants. Of course, it requires the patient to catch both. But I haven't heard of 2 different viruses combining in that way.
I have heard of two versions of COVID in one patient though, I suppose it depends on the mechanics or chemistry of the situation.

Basically, they said if there are enough such cases, it will happen eventually, I presume they mean case counts in the millions.

Cynics will claim researchers talking about this stuff are just using scare tactics to encourage vaccination, but they weren't particularly emotive about the issue, just talked some cold hard facts and highlighted that while the chance isn't high, it is not zero either.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-12-2021

The most bizarre thing I read (and I posted it at some stage in this thread) is that preventing Delta from coming into Australia wouldn't have guaranteed that we wouldn't have ended up with Delta. Supposedly, it's only a matter of time for such a mutation to develop if Covid circulates in the community. If it evolves to become the dominant strain overseas, evolution says it will develop that way here too.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 10-12-2021

(10-11-2021, 02:41 PM)spf link Wrote:For me this is part of the problem, the narrative that has been allowed to develop. Your post is very common now, have a look at the language - "conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and neo-nazis", and this is demonizing those that feel different to yourself.

If you want people onboard, then you have to speak their language. You don't know their language. Many simply raise their voices, speaking louder and more aggressively expecting that will do something. It just alienates them more.  Name calling and being disparaging is not bringing them with you. Congratulations to all those that engage in it, you have contributed to the beginnings of a resistance. The disaffected and disenfranchised now have a place to call home.

Actually, what I wrote is correct, and I could have added a few more groups such as anarchists, alt right, far left, etc.

People with vaccine hesitancy are not necessarily deaf to science and logic but "conspiracy theorists, anti-vaxxers and neo-nazis" are.

I have friends and family who are/were vaccine hesitant and many are now vaccinated; some because they accepted the overwhelming evidence, some because it was necessary for them to keep their job, and some because of peer pressure.  Some justify their position by reference to common conspiracy theories and that, to me, makes them conspiracy theorists.

A good friend is computer scientist/data analyst who is currently studying for a second degree in earth science.  Her father is an eminent doctor in Malaysia.  She describes herself as vaccine hesitant but, when explaining her hesitancy, referred me to a speech by Eric Clapton.  Now, Eric is one of my favourite musicians but, apart from the fact that he knows nothing about medicine, science, immunology, epidemiology, etc, his speech simply trotted out the same tired old conspiracy theories.  Is my friend vaccine hesitant or a conspiracy theorist?  Hint; she's into doomsday prepping.

Another friend also describes herself as vaccine hesitant but is also anti-lockdown, anti-mask and dubious about how real COVID is.  She explains her vaccine hesitancy as concern about the side-effects.  Yesterday she announced that she was going to be vaccinated in order to keep her job and asked if folk could tell her what side-effects they had experienced.  Of course, some folk had mild side-effects but most said that it was business as usual.  So, her vaccine hesitancy was based on a fear of something she hadn't bothered to investigate.  Rather than talking to her GP, her "investigation" involved posting a question on Facebook  :Smile

Other friends are committed vegans and anti-vaxxers; their children are not vaccinated at all and I think their grandchildren aren't vaccinated either.  Nice people, and very successful, but the mumbo-jumbo they use to explain their anti-vaxxer beliefs is trying ... and they look sickly to me  :-\

(10-11-2021, 08:17 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Also why are we still going on about antivaxxers? NSW has over 90% and all the other states are following.

MBB poses a valid question; it looks like those who won't or can't be vaccinated will make up an insignificant part of our population and the threat of transmission from them will probably decrease as they follow the "natural" path to herd immunity.  However, they may still pose a threat in the short term as did the two unvaccinated, COVID-infected cardiac surgery nurses in a Sydney hospital recently.