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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Lods - 10-10-2021

NSW going off.
Arguments over admittance restrictions already.
This could be a really messy day.

Victoria will probably get a good idea about 'how not' to reopen.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 10-10-2021

(10-10-2021, 10:35 PM)Lods link Wrote:NSW going off.
Arguments over admittance restrictions already.
This could be a really messy day.

Victoria will probably get a good idea about 'how not' to reopen.

We're off to a great start. Melbourne cup before schools.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 10-10-2021

Shiny happy people .. thanks REM

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-10-2021

(10-10-2021, 10:35 PM)Lods date Wrote:NSW going off.
Arguments over admittance restrictions already.
This could be a really messy day.

Victoria will probably get a good idea about 'how not' to reopen.
Is it caused by the naivety of the general public, many have an expectation that opening up means going back to the way things were before?

I'm not sure if even the media has been selling that message.

I wonder if it's just a manifestation of the fear of change, and how difficult some people find dealing with change of any sort even perhaps when that change is a clear improvement! I bet [member=105]Thryleon[/member] sees this sometimes working in IT, you change a system or device to something that is markedly better and easier, faster and more accurate but some users just want the old one back.

I'm not asserting the societal changes as a result of Sars-CoV-2 are better, but I am pretty sure they are largely unavoidable. I'm also cynical enough to realise some will attempt to profit form that change, whether it is financially or politically.

So to deal with this what should be done, perhaps just do as the new NSW Premier has asked and be kind! But isn't that also one of the arguments for getting the jab if you can, and many didn't listen to that? ;D

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Lods - 10-10-2021

It's early in the day in Greater Sydney.
We'll have a better idea how folks are responding as the day goes on.

My daughter has about a week to go before her second shot, then a couple of weeks for it to fully kick in.
She originally wasn't scheduled to get her first shot until November but as the supply increased she was able to get it moved forward.
It will be a little difficult, and perhaps a more dangerous time, for the younger ones like her who are in a bit of limbo for a few weeks.
Caught between two jabs.
Some of her friends will be out and about and mixing.
Case numbers, we are told, will increase.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-10-2021

For Victoria, the regional trial of a sign-in app will be a must-pass test. If they can’t get a simple yet secure app up and running, it’ll be a messy reopening. I wonder how much collaboration there was amongst the states and territories in developing these apps (I’d hope a lot).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-10-2021

Opening regionally is interesting, because despite case numbers being low or zero, vaccination rates in some regional areas are low as well. There is no uniform uptake of vaccine in NSW and Vic regional areas, and it's even worse in SA and Qld.

I presume that governments are happy to accept the risk in low population density regions, as they can handle the case load using city hospitals, but that assumes the suburban regions don't have any significant outbreak. I'm not sure what happens in Vic if the modelling turns out to be true, they got the counts  95% correct in NSW but were out in the timing duration. In Vic the modellers are saying we will get to 3000 positive cases a day.

Up in NSW apparently there were some nasty scenes overnight when some of the big chain stores opened, people cracked it when they rolled up to find they had to join a queue and numbers were still being restricted on entry, social distancing measures were still enforced, I'm not sure why they would think it wouldn't be that way! They must have thought they could role up at midnight and waltz into the department store like they were back in 2019. I appreciate this might be a minority of trouble makers, some needing genuine assistance while others are deliberately trying to stir up trouble. We will know in 10 to 14 days if this turns sour, I know the UK suffered a significant spike after opening that took many weeks of public health hell to resolve.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-10-2021

8 year old with a burst appendix turned away from a well known public hospital because the ED was full of covid patients vaxxed and unvaxxed plus vaccine effect patients both real and the over anxious variety.
Told to go to the RCH who duly saved the child but it was close..
If we open up in crazy fashion and get a mass uptake in cases it's going to result in more non covid fatalities as the health system will be over whelmed..

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-11-2021

(10-10-2021, 11:54 PM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:8 year old with a burst appendix turned away from a well known public hospital because the ED was full of covid patients vaxxed and unvaxxed plus vaccine effect patients both real and the over anxious variety.
Told to go to the RCH who duly saved the child but it was close..
If we open up in crazy fashion and get a mass uptake in cases it's going to result in non covid fatalities as the health system will be over whelmed..
Let's not cast uncertainty here, it's most likely the vast bulk of patients in the ED requiring serious care were unvaccinated, statistically the figure has been as high as 85% of ED patients are not vaccinated.

I can't think of a better argument for being vaccinated than that little girl and others like her, I suppose some don't care because she's not their own, so she is not their problem!

It's never just been about COVID patients, it always been about what the system can handle in total, relative to the potential exponential growth in COVID cases.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-11-2021

(10-11-2021, 12:04 AM)LP link Wrote:Let's not cast uncertainty here, it's most likely the vast bulk of patients in the ED requiring serious care were unvaccinated, statistically the figure has been as high as 85% of ED patients are not vaccinated.

I can't think of a better argument for being vaccinated than that little girl and others like her, I suppose some don't care because she's not their own, so she is not their problem!

It's never just been about COVID patients, it always been about what the system can handle in total, relative to potential exponential growth in COVID cases.
Vaxxed patients get symptoms and run to ERs too, chest pains mean ECGs and blood tests from over anxious just vaxxed are clogging up the system.
Vaxxed patients don't die but still clog the system when they present to ED with a runny nose and want reassurance.
So the system is clogged and no extra staff or resources have been provided to offset increased numbers.
You open up on mass and those cases will skyrocket and non covid patients will find themselves without proper care..