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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-09-2021

This sort of situation is playing out all over the state, it's basically what the ICU nurses warned about in their union's recent media campaign, the risk of regret weighs far heavier on one side of this argument than the other, and nurses suffer when at the last moment patients flip but by then it's all too late.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-09-2021

As an aside, I heard virologist/epidemiologist talk on the radio two nights back, it was live talk on a BBC World channel, and I haven't found an internet copy yet but if I do I will post it.

They said most of the debate lacks a critical 3rd perspective and that has allowed a fantasy to persist, the fantasy is that vaccines kill.

Now at first this seems controversial, because we all know people can have severe reactions, but it is really coming from a very broad 3rd perspective. Statistically the truth is the vaccines save about a 1000 for every 1 they hurt! Where does that come from? Well COVID kills about 1000 out of every million, (In Western economies) while vaccine reactions kill 1 out of every million while saving about 970, vaccines aren't perfect, they won't save everybody, but statistically that is how effective the vaccines are, and it's almost unprecedented in history.

What about the 1?

The virologist/epidemiologist started their analysis from this perspective. It's sad that people die from a vaccine reaction, but it's highly likely that people who suffer badly or die from an adverse Sars-CoV-2 vaccine reaction are highly susceptible to the very same from the real Sars-CoV-2 virus. It is also highly likely that just like the common cold we will all get Sars-CoV-2 at some stage. So it's far better to issue the vaccines in controlled conditions, monitor the vaccine recipients in controlled conditions, try to identify and assist the 1 early, than to allow Sars-CoV-2 to run wild and kill the 970 that the vaccines would have saved.

This seems like a very sensible and reasonable position.

I definitely haven't related all the critical points as I was listening late at night, but you can see the general perspective this virology specialist was coming from. It makes sense.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-09-2021

The Conversation is getting very very good at responding to various social media memes and misinformation in real time.

No, COVID Vaccines don't stay in your body for years!

The sooner this real information gets out in the public, the better.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-09-2021

I posted that yesterday but it bears repeating. I love the tweet from Dr Esther Choo, the whole series of tweets being:

Quote:I’m having so many conversations about the concern that vaccines interfere with cells’ genetic material but no one seems freaked out that viruses jump right in there and make our cells little virus factories.

I mean, this description from medical news-net: “This typically occurs by the virus inserting its genetic material in host cells, co-opting the proteins to create viral replicates, until the cell bursts from the high volume of new viral particles.”

Vaccines are so polite and elegant in comparison: “if you would, ma’am, make a scrap of spike protein to present to your immune system for its consideration? I’ll see myself out now.” “Be well… Be well.”


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 10-09-2021

2nd dose done.

Still no 2nd head, no ability to see in the dark, or green glow.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 10-09-2021

A mate from the States reckons folk are claiming that the vaccine has made them magnetic and are demonstrating this by showing coins and cutlery sticking to various parts of their anatomy.  Of course, all US coins (except for WW2 era steel cents) are made to be nonmagnetic as is good quality stainless steel cutlery  :Smile

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 10-09-2021

(10-09-2021, 02:31 AM)DJC link Wrote:A mate from the States reckons folk are claiming that the vaccine has made them magnetic and are demonstrating this by showing coins and cutlery sticking to various parts of their anatomy.  Of course, all US coins (except for WW2 era steel cents) are made to be nonmagnetic as is good quality stainless steel cutlery  :Smile
I once saw a sci-fi b-grade movie from maybe the 50's that had people being locked in place by magnets. It made me question if people were ever that dumb.

The above seems to prove it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-09-2021

I experimented with a rare earth magnet DJC. It wasn't attracted whatsoever to Aussie coins but it stuck to all our cutlery and most of the kitchen implements. Maybe that says more about our cutlery than anything else! But the whole vaccine magnetism thing is comedy gold. There was a conspiracy theorist a while ago who gave evidence before a Red State parliamentary enquiry (I can't recall which State) and she couldn't get her spoon to stick to her forehead no matter what she did but she kept up her prattle about magnetism to the very end  Smile)

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-09-2021

not sure if it was the one I saw but this youtube clip is pretty close:
https://youtu.be/qWI0YiSmTKs

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 10-09-2021

(10-09-2021, 02:51 AM)Mav link Wrote:not sure if it was the one I saw but this youtube clip is pretty close:

Mad as cut snakes!

I liked the anchorman's "train to crazy town" line; so apt.