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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 10-06-2021

There was the photo that made the news of some of the protesters doing lines after the protest and the point was made that it was pretty hypocritical. Whilst the authenticity of that photo may be debated, the odds are that some of the protesters are happy to smoke, inhale or inject drugs despite warnings that they may be cut or mixed with dangerous substances (leaving aside the dangers posed by the pure product).

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-06-2021

(10-06-2021, 02:08 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Zaharakis did.
Has struggled to get a game since, no jab no play! :o

CheatsFC, always ahead of the curve!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 10-06-2021

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-06/ibac-premier-daniel-andrews-cfa-volunteers-pay-dispute/100517280

One way or another ...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-06-2021

Dan the man with the selective memory who cant find his 4000 beds/Ventilators or answer questions  but happy to fund the likes of Revolver Upstairs and Section 8 under the guise of live music. Two well known drug haunts where you can buy your smack and go on a week long bender, think Revs had a dead body at the back of a couch for three days and the staff didnt even know because you cant tell the difference given everyone is so wasted...
Quote attributable to Minister for Creative Industries Danny Pearson  

“Our music industry creates and supports thousands of jobs – injecting millions into our economy. The programs will revive our music culture by supporting local businesses and workers, so they can continue to do what they do best.”
Wonder if the Danny's Andrews and Pearson have actually set foot in Revs and Section 8.....injecting millions into the economy.....thats one way of putting it....



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-06-2021

(10-06-2021, 02:44 AM)Mav link Wrote:There was the photo that made the news of some of the protesters doing lines after the protest and the point was made that it was pretty hypocritical. Whilst the authenticity of that photo may be debated, the odds are that some of the protesters are happy to smoke, inhale or inject drugs despite warnings that they may be cut or mixed with dangerous substances (leaving aside the dangers posed by the pure product).

Can confirm, have seen video footage of two guys in high viz snorting white powder behind a wall out the front of someones house.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-06-2021

On a side note, regarding our 4000 bed ICU facilities, I think people are mis-representing the sheer volume of work and money that would be possible to deliver it.


I think its a bit mad to expect this to occur irrespective of what people think was promised.

Politicians tend to use qualifying statements.  Funding 4000 beds is fine, but where and looking at delivering it, and actually delivering it are two different beasts. 

Where are you going to get the appropriate facility that can handle the requirements from every single level of health care?

Don't get too sucked into this political hyperbole people.  The ICU beds are an iceberg situation.

1.  4000 beds is enormous.  I work at a 10 story hospital in the eastern suburbs that doesnt have capacity for more than 1000 TOTAL hospital beds in one building (being generous).

2.  we have talked about specialised nursing already.  Doctors who specialise in treatment are in as short a supply as nurses, so having a dedicated ICU facility outside of a hospital is pie in the sky stuff which will absolutely leave us with a shortage of staff to do the non covid stuff. 

3.  Where can this facility exist outside of our hospital network taking account the aforementioned, whilst still adequately allowing safe places for donning and doffing PPE for staff, treating patients in a clinically safe environment, with access to emergency operating theatres at a moments notice, with all the appropriate drugs on hand, and the refrigeration to house them, the cleaning facilities for people to adequately sterilise this location, as well as meal prepping facilities, storing fluids in a controlled environment where they arent subjected to wild swings in temperature as well as house all the relevant systems for health information management that are both secure, and functional for the admissions, transfer and discharge of patients with all the telephony available, as well as the support networks for staff to grab a tea or coffee safely and go to the bath room, shower etc. 

Now that I have highlighted the impossible task of the above, we have patients with varying needs.  Some are mental health.  Some peadiatric, others will be natal, and neo natal, and then you need an entire different army of staff to come with for those areas, because as we have touched on before, this is not a one sized fits all approach.

So, any talk, of 4000 beds, its fraught with danger.  You want to hang Andrews out to dry, sure, go for it, but any reliance on that, is our worst case covid scenario, and any facility that is setup to make use of 4000 "pop up" beds, if actually required means the pandemic has taken a turn for the worse, and we are going to be seeing an alarmingly high death rate.

I was privy to this new build hospital that went up and opened in october of 2014.  This is one of the best facilities in the state, and it is still woefully inadequate to be a site for these 4000 beds.  We only have 20 icu beds.  We might be able to expand up to 31 utilising our Surgical Suites and utilising our Cardiology wards single bed rooms (we have less than 10 of those which overlap with our ICU).  That might be where a good few hundred of the additional ICU capacity comes from across ALL hospitals that currently exist in the network, but flippant political hyperbole surrounding what the network can do, is not helpful to anyone and pretending that 4000 beds was promised stamped and then not delivered is most likely a massive stretch.  Its also worth remembering at the time, that mikakos was still in the system, and that we were travelling down a road where the assumption was that each and every covid positive patient was going to require ECMO, and intubation.

The game has changed.  The breaks we have put on this has achieved much better outcomes than people think for a wider population of people and if we end up with 4000 people in an ICU bed at one time in this state, i would hate to be covid positive in that equation.






Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 10-06-2021

I think with Dan the problem is he hasnt delivered anything......if he had delivered 100 new ICU beds with new staff/equipment everyone would have been happy much less 4000 which I agree is a huge task more akin to a country like China where they can knock up a lot of hospitals very quickly given their huge infrastructure setup plus train up staff quicker due to the huge population.
Victoria has about 800 ICU beds and NSW a few more than 840 last I read and Gladys was also talking up another 1000 beds...
My problem with Dan and Gladys is treating the public like fools......
Where is the quarantine facility that was promised?........Dan has had since the 1st wave to improve facilities in Victoria but its easier to lockdown than spend money unless its on drug dens. Dont make extreme false promises when the crisis is this serious, provide beds as promised and not false comfort.





Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-06-2021

Thanks for the insight [member=105]Thryleon[/member]‍

I was at the CSIRO / Synchrotron a few weeks back, nearby to the new Victorian Heart Hospital and was impressed by how quickly it has risen out of the ground. It's costing upwards of $600M to build and counting, will 'only' have 206 beds with 20 of those being ICU. I think by the time it has opened it will have taken about 5 years to build, and it's small compared to say Monash Medical Centre.

I never understood the 4000 ICU bed references, and they never talk about the timeframe. Unless someone in health is being tricky with the definition of ICU, of course an ICU bed in a political / public service / bureaucratic definition might mean just that, the bed with a ventilator and not much else! Wink

I think Australia's total ICU capacity is only about 3500 ICU beds.

Those types of declarations are happening in every state at many levels from politicians to public servants, is it a sign they are planning for this pandemic to persist much much longer than we already think is way too long?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 10-06-2021

(10-06-2021, 05:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Where is the quarantine facility that was promised?........Dan has had since the 1st wave to improve facilities in Victoria but its easier to lockdown than spend money unless its on drug dens.
I think you missed a trick, from any state public servant there was no when in any of those declarations, that doesn't mean never, but realistically it doesn't mean tomorrow either!

I'm pegging they'll build more ICU beds, but it's something they were warned to do almost two decades ago when Sars hit in preparation for now, so the question is will it be ready for the next big one?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 10-06-2021

Can also confirm across 3 hospitals out in the east, we had expanded our ability to "flex" ICU up by 30%.

Still way under 100 beds total, but to say they have done "nothing" again is selling everything a bit short.