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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 11-26-2016
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 11-26-2016
Lyon lifted in what could have been his last Test.
We should win from here....
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 11-26-2016
(11-26-2016, 08:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:I thought it was Renshaw's catch.
If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 11-26-2016
(11-26-2016, 09:26 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch
agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-27-2016
(11-26-2016, 09:48 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!
Firstly, Renshaw stands too wide. Normally the keeper would sort this out but they are both new in the team this week so you can expect a few games for them to get it right. They haven't even had much time to train together because of Shield commitments.
If you are going to stand in the wrong place make sure it's too close not too far!
Secondly, Wade would normally have Cameron White at 1st slip who is the best first slip in Australia and probably would have covered that catch easily. Also White would have been standing in the right place!
Finally, apparently testing has proven that the pink ball under lights is causing players a real problem with depth perception. To me the pink ball also looks a little fluorescent which makes it even hard to judge distance, this is based on my experience with the old fluro orange and yellow cricket balls, but I bet it is true.
In night cricket if you line up a white, fluro-orange and fluro-yellow cricket balls side-by-side the two fluro balls look bigger which makes you think they are closer than they really are, especially as you move further away the apparent size difference is remarkable. (I often wonder if this has some relationship to the full moon size illusion.) This causes you to go for catches that are out of reach, or move too slowly thinking the ball is falling closer than it really is, and you start getting hit on the end of the fingers or falling short of the catch. You then begin to doubt your judgement and that leaves you late to move.
Notice a number of Australian players are wearing tinted glasses at night, they are trying to dial down the contrast on the pink ball so so they judge the distance to the ball better.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 11-27-2016
I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!
Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.
You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-27-2016
(11-27-2016, 01:23 AM)LP link Wrote:I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!
Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.
You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!
Once he got his confidence back and started bowling more slowly he bowled really well, especially in the 2nd innings. Spell late last night might've been a career saver. Actually the pressure all 4 bowlers applied as a group was outstanding and put alot of pressure on SA.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 11-27-2016
(11-26-2016, 09:26 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch
He worked on that before play today, so they saw it as an issue, and he took a great catch down the legside. Bar that error he had a good game behind the stumps.
Ironically, Nevill made 179no today in the Shield match.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - shadesy - 11-28-2016
(11-26-2016, 08:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:I thought it was Renshaw's catch.
Always the keepers catch...
And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.
(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-28-2016
(11-28-2016, 02:45 AM)shadesy link Wrote:Always the keepers catch...
And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.
(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)
Tradional for aussie 1st slips to field wider though isnt it?..agree it was the keepers catch..