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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-21-2021


(09-21-2021, 04:16 AM)Professer E link Wrote:My daughter wants to be a paramedic EB.  I've said no freaking way unless she gets her second dan black belt.  For her graduation  I'm going to get her a flick baton.  Grope this junkie c***
Tough job Prof, they have my full respect, one of my daughters best friends became a paramedic after being an RN.
Not an easy job to qualify in either as the standards are high, lot of burn outs and fatigue due to over work and thats led to extra drug testing of paramedics which hasnt gone down well.
The Government need to pay them better, provide more staff and look after their mental health too.
Good luck to your daughter, we need more young people wanting to be Paramedics and looking after the community.
The level of stress and violence also depends a lot on where you work, my Daughters friend works at Frankston and we have another contact who works at Dandenong and you earn your money in both those locations.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-21-2021

(09-21-2021, 03:26 AM)Mav link Wrote:Or would they prefer to be free of colleagues who think their freedom includes their freedom to infect colleagues and patients? Lethal virus vs. parking fees. I guess that's a tough choice ...
Nurses dont get a lot of time to do inventory's on who is vaccinated and who isnt, you also get a lot of transient and agency staff so your workmates change most days. They just assume every patient is a risk to a certain extent and take precautions to protect themselves. There is a small antivax presence in the Nursing community like most other workplaces and they work around it, you dont want to lose good senior nurses because they are presently unvaccinated and be left with vaccinated nitwits who cant plug a dog and a bone together or work out simple maths when setting up an IV.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-21-2021

While I agree about health work wages, paying them more won't really solve the problems in the system.

They need a lot more staff and a lot more ambulance crews.

The first thing they should do is kybosh the nerd bean counters doing time and motion studies on ambulance crews and ED staff to ensure they are operating at full efficiency!


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-21-2021

As "nurses don't get a lot of time to do inventories on who is vaccinated and who isn't, you also get a lot of transient and agency staff so your workmates change most days", that just emphasises how necessary it is to get the anti-vaxxers out of the system. If you're right that it's only a small presence in the nursing profession, then there shouldn't be much disruption and it will be justified to protect other staff and patients.

If the hospitals struggle to obtain competent staff, then they should send the nuffies to look after the anti-vaxxer patients. No reason why the pandemic of the unvaccinated should create problems for everyone else.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-21-2021

(09-21-2021, 09:15 AM)LP link Wrote:While I agree about health work wages, paying them more won't really solve the problems in the system.

They need a lot more staff and a lot more ambulance crews.

The first thing they should do is kybosh the nerd bean counters doing time and motion studies on ambulance crews and ED staff to ensure they are operating at full efficiency!
Agree....LP, ....When can you start as Health Minister?


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 09-21-2021

(09-21-2021, 09:15 AM)LP link Wrote:While I agree about health work wages, paying them more won't really solve the problems in the system.

They need a lot more staff and a lot more ambulance crews.

The first thing they should do is kybosh the nerd bean counters doing time and motion studies on ambulance crews and ED staff to ensure they are operating at full efficiency!

A mate recently retired after a career as an ambo - most recently in a very senior role.  He's neither a nerd or a bean counter but a very experienced operational ambo.  His take is that they don't have enough ambulances (or spare parts for the ambulances they have) for additional staff.  That means that newly qualified paramedics (my niece just qualified) can't get the 12 months in the passenger seat they need as the next step in their career path.

My niece will probably have to go interstate to progress her career.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-21-2021

(09-21-2021, 02:50 PM)DJC date Wrote:A mate recently retired after a career as an ambo - most recently in a very senior role.  He's neither a nerd or a bean counter but a very experienced operational ambo.  His take is that they don't have enough ambulances (or spare parts for the ambulances they have) for additional staff.  That means that newly qualified paramedics (my niece just qualified) can't get the 12 months in the passenger seat they need as the next step in their career path.

My niece will probably have to go interstate to progress her career.
My reference to "more ambulance crews" assumes the new hardware to go with them, and the same for nurses and health care staff.

Authorities just have to wear the cost of having some of them idle when things are quiet, there is in my opinion a point at which operations become too lean.


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - northernblue - 09-21-2021

(09-21-2021, 10:10 PM)LP link Wrote:My reference to "more ambulance crews" assumes the new hardware to go with them, and the same for nurses and health care staff.

Authorities just have to wear the cost of having some of them idle when things are quiet, there is in my opinion a point at which operations become too lean.

Locating that point correctly is the $64000 question.
It’s all good until you (me) needs that urgent ambo…


Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 09-21-2021

Interesting article. I’m clearly not as angry as many in the US, but then again Covid and its enablers aren’t anywhere near as bad in Australia:

The Unbelievable Grimness of HermanCainAward, the Subreddit That Catalogs Anti-Vaxxer COVID Deaths, Slate.

Quote:It is cruel, a site for heartless and unrepentant schadenfreude. This is a place where deaths are celebrated, and it is not the only one. While endless ink has been spilled on the anger of Trump voters and Fox News viewers and QAnon adherents, there are other angers that haven’t been nearly as well explored. The exhaustion and fury doctors and nurses feel, for example, as they deal yet again with overwhelmed ICUs. Instead of being hailed as heroes, this time around they’re risking their lives to serve while walking through anti-vax protesters and being called murderers or worse by misled family members demanding or indeed suing for sick unvaccinated relatives on ventilators to be dosed with ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine or vitamin C. There is the anger of family members of those without COVID who are dying or sicker than they should be because treatment was delayed or denied to them at dozens of hospitals that had no beds available. There’s the frustration of parents trying to keep their children safe, the constant, destabilizing calculations and adaptations people are forced into when (for instance) the governor of Texas prohibits schools from taking safety measures and then two teachers at a single school die, forcing closures once again. There’s the run-of-the-mill anger of those weary of living under pandemic conditions and demoralized—in the most literal sense—by the selfishness of their compatriots.

Subscriptions to the HermanCainAward subreddit are increasing exponentially, from 2,000 subscribers on July 4 to 5,000 at the beginning of August to more than 100,000 on Sept. 1 to 243,000 Friday to 276,000 today. If that rate is any indication, rage is growing toward anti-vaxxers deliberately prolonging the pandemic out of an anti-social and deadly understanding of their rights. Now, it’s true that not everyone on the subreddit assents to its spiteful premise: One exhausted nurse wrote a long post about how much one of her anti-vax patients suffered, as an attempt at counterbalance. She acknowledged her own compassion fatigue but also urged readers to think harder about how we got to this sorry pass. Plenty of the discussions do orbit around that basic question. But most of the comments are angry. A collection of screenshots generally elicits a common sentiment: The person got their just desserts.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 09-22-2021

(09-21-2021, 11:24 PM)northernblue date Wrote:Locating that point correctly is the $64000 question.
It’s all good until you (me) needs that urgent ambo…
This is where they start putting a $ figure on lives, and in my opinion the point at which some of the bureaucrats and politicians lose the plot.

You can see where the "let it rip" mentality comes from, when people starting thinking that the cost of saving lives is too high!

I listened to a podcast a week or two back that likened the "let it rip" attitude to the purge, if a small portion have to die to improve the economics and gene pool then so be it, for the greater good!