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Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - Baggers - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 07:36 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Injuries and poor player effort have let Voss down recently and while Id like to see him become a bit more daring with his moves its not his fault we have capitulated at seasons end again and the last thing we need is another sacked coach saga.
This is a list management issue along with some doubts over the S&C crew but Im more inclined to be pointing the finger at the former..
Absolutely.
Vossy addressed this in his impressive post game media conference... that before he arrived we were inconsistent and we still are - in game, week to week, month to month and year to year. An ingrained cultural issue? I see that as an inability to sustain, regardless of what the opposition is dishing up, and that's about mental discipline/toughness and trust in your team mates which builds cohesion/predictability. But it's real hard to develop these things when we have so many on our list whose bodies cannot even be trusted to stand up to the rigors of our game.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - madbluboy - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 09:06 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:freo can still fall out. They lose one game we win two and we are in. They play gws away and Port at home.
I expect Freo to lose to the Giants, think West Coast will finish us off this week though.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - laj - 08-12-2024
(08-12-2024, 07:26 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Just doesn't make sense that a bloke heading high performance at 3 clubs, and does brilliantly, suddenly loses all his skills at club 4. It just aint logical. Is Cookie getting it wrong at PP after doing so well at other places? Nuh.
This also has a sniff of coaches about it. Seems that as soon as it comes to on-field stuff things just start going pear shaped. Time for a top-line Head of Football? Someone smarter, more disciplined with some fire in the guts?
6 years of massive injuries is enough to give us a fair idea.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - laj - 08-12-2024
If we could somehow get into the 8 it would be a nice experience for the kids to play a final, even if they get thumped. Can only help. A refresh of a side can do wonders for a couple of games, especially against sides with nothing to play for.
You never know.. Be a big step up for a few.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - cookie2 - 08-13-2024
(08-12-2024, 11:26 PM)laj link Wrote:6 years of massive injuries is enough to give us a fair idea.Maybe it has something to do with how we evaluate players before we recruit them? What criteria are used re player durability ? It’s very hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear so to speak.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - Thryleon - 08-13-2024
(08-12-2024, 11:31 PM)laj link Wrote:If we could somehow get into the 8 it would be a nice experience for the kids to play a final, even if they get thumped. Can only help. A refresh of a side can do wonders for a couple of games, especially against sides with nothing to play for.was thinking about this scenario and have arrived at a horrific result thought process wise.
You never know.. Be a big step up for a few.
Why wouldn't you play kids?
Draftee contracts usually have a match bonus payment condition attached.
So why aren't we playing kids? The cap is close to being overloaded.
We might be playing broken senior players because of out salary cap composition.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - madbluboy - 08-13-2024
(08-12-2024, 11:26 PM)laj link Wrote:6 years of massive injuries is enough to give us a fair idea.
How would you suggest we manage the injuries better? We gave Cerra and Saad 6 weeks to get over their hammy's. Do we give them 10 weeks? At some point they become a liability . They have to be able to play, we're not a rehab centre.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - laj - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 12:16 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Maybe it has something to do with how we evaluate players before we recruit them? What criteria are used re player durability ? It’s very hard to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear so to speak.
The injury list over the years has been way too big for that. Even injury prone players mostly get back on the park long term if looked after well. Any injury prone player here had no hope.
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - LP - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 03:11 AM)laj date Wrote:The injury list over the years has been way too big for that. Even injury prone players mostly get back on the park long term if looked after well. Any injury prone player here had no hope.What are you talking about, Cerra came to us already with a history of soft tissue injury, and played 40 games in his first two seasons?
This is his first real injury interrupted season at Carlton, it can happen to anybody!
I'd assert our heavy duty inside football game style, makes soft tissue more likely, you just can't keep bashing a bruising quads and hammies, getting corkies, etc., etc., and not eventually have something tear!
Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth - laj - 08-13-2024
(08-13-2024, 12:46 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:How would you suggest we manage the injuries better? We gave Cerra and Saad 6 weeks to get over their hammy's. Do we give them 10 weeks? At some point they become a liability . They have to be able to play, we're not a rehab centre.That comes down to how you prepare them after they recover. Knowing how to manage loads until they are strong enough to handle it. Making sure the tendons are functioning as well as the muscle as they improve at different rates. They work i unison. as do ligaments, if there's tendon weakness the muscle will struggle. I've been there as a coach.