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Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Thryleon - 07-26-2024
Goodness me, what a load of chicken littles.
Port are good enough to beat pretty much anyone, they had an extra day break, and we had a few too many walk up starts way down on output and to go with it, the umpires rogered us beautifully with quite a few decisions which actually put port in front.
Yes, we should have been able to hold on, but we were dump kicking long to no one.
Kemp did swing forward when young went back, but the ball didn't go near him and then pittonet disappeared and young was required in the ruck.
Acres, tdk and McKay are massive upgrades over what we put out particularly acres running power and height.
Regarding talls, the balance wasn't wrong, we couldn't run out the game anyway. There ends that lesson. Our run isn't hampered by height its hampered by too many underdone smalls who don't give us 4 quarters of effort.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-26-2024
Lewis Young was horrendous and it was a good test tonight to see if he could come in and give us something when Harry was out but he was timid and a deer in the headlights and Id probably give Lemmey a run next time we need a fill in KP/ruck.
Cerra was MIA and has been useless since returning and probably deserves a run in the twos and Jack Carroll can depart for WC as I cant see him in our future plans and thought his game was VFL standard.
Ollie Hollands was equally disappointing and his decision making poor again tonight, yep he gives effort but he is making too many errors and needs some time in the twos and Id bring Binns in and then compare the two.
Walsh needs a rest and maybe a new temporary position when he comes back(see Nick Daicos) to get the heat and taggers off him. Without a genuine CHB its hard for Weitering to hold the backline together each week and he must be hanging out for a managed rest too but thats impossible given the state of our backline.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-26-2024
While.i was looking through the stats I noticed something interesting in regards to Kemp.
He played 100% TOG in quarters 1, 2 and 3.
He played only 54% TOG in the last.
I noted before that I saw him on the bench in the last when we needed something from him and vossy didn't try much with him when we needed it.
Now to me that shows either....
1. A severe lack of trust in Kemp to do what's required when it matters.
2. He got injured.
Either way, it's not good news for us and him.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 01:38 PM)laj link Wrote:Martin starred late last year when it mattered. He was vital. While he is on our list and he's not playing then.we miss that.Cant trust him to stay on the park, we saw another chandelier in Cuningham injured and this whole thing with these perennially injured players has to end and move them on...Martins best can be very good but you cant build a team or system with players who dont play regular footy.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - pertz - 07-26-2024
Was at the game. Hugely disappointing loss.
Port are not a great team.
Very good second term, pressure was up.
Wheels completely fell off in the second half.
Agree with a previous post - good sides find a way to win even with injuries.
We are held together by half a dozen very good players and when they are covered / injured we become fragile.
There's not enough talent on the list, it's as simple as that.
Agree we need to be pretty ruthless with the list at the end of the year before the window closes as I don't think we're their yet with this group.
Happy to be proven wrong...
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 01:43 PM)kruddler link Wrote:While.i was looking through the stats I noticed something interesting in regards to Kemp.Kemp isnt big enough to play CHB, we dont have a real deal CHB thats the problem...McGovern and Kemp are essentially the same type of intercept defender and there is probably room for one only and you can throw Marchbank in that group too.
He played 100% TOG in quarters 1, 2 and 3.
He played only 54% TOG in the last.
I noted before that I saw him on the bench in the last when we needed something from him and vossy didn't try much with him when we needed it.
Now to me that shows either....
1. A severe lack of trust in Kemp to do what's required when it matters.
2. He got injured.
Either way, it's not good news for us and him.
We need a 196cm/100kg plus strong CHB who can take the load off Weitering as you, I, and a few others have discussed ad nauseam. Our defense rebounds well but doesnt defend so well and allows too many opposition marks and when you get spuds like Esava influencing games down forward its time to rethink what we are doing and admit its not working.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 01:58 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Kemp isnt big enough to play CHB, we dont have a real deal CHB thats the problem...McGovern and Kemp are essentially the same type of intercept defender and there is probably room for one only and you can throw Marchbank in that group too.Unfortunately our Cap was to full to get Harry's brother. That was the plan early last season.
We need a 196cm/100kg plus strong CHB who can take the load off Weitering as you, I, and a few others have discussed ad nauseam. Our defense rebounds well but doesnt defend so well and allows too many opposition marks and when you get spuds like Esava influencing games down forward its time to rethink what we are doing and admit its not working.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 01:58 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Kemp isnt big enough to play CHB, we dont have a real deal CHB thats the problem...McGovern and Kemp are essentially the same type of intercept defender and there is probably room for one only and you can throw Marchbank in that group too.
We need a 196cm/100kg plus strong CHB who can take the load off Weitering as you, I, and a few others have discussed ad nauseam. Our defense rebounds well but doesnt defend so well and allows too many opposition marks and when you get spuds like Esava influencing games down forward its time to rethink what we are doing and admit its not working.
You are preaching to the converted mate.
My only point re Kemp was that he should've been forward (if fit) in the last.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 01:30 PM)JonDorotich link Wrote:Some factsThose draft picks will be used to get enough points for.the Campo brothers. In a window it's hard to get rid of many and replace then with kids. Free agents seemed to have signed. Hayward would have been great to get, then you could let go of Martin. He re-signed, though. We many delay.their contracts to see what we can get but we may be stuck with them.
- we lack pace
- Pittonet, Marchbank, Young & Durdin nowhere near AFl standard
- we need so much more from Cottrell and Cerra
- O Hollands continues to make inexcusable mistakes at this level
- no team can sustain the sheer number of injury prone players on our list (Martin, Cunningham, McGovern, Marchbank, Williams)
- we lack young talent
- we have way too much salary cap invested in too few. We need to rebalance.
We’re going to need go trade heavily to rebalance the list and cut the injury prone deadwood once and for all. We’re a long way from a premiership.
Re: AFL Rd 20 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LoveNavy - 07-26-2024
(07-26-2024, 12:37 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:- Too much back slapping and bath water drinking at half time for my liking.
- Defence is a shambles, has been for weeks, wish our fwds could have that dished up to them by oppo.
- Enough with Cunningham already., clean your locker out son.
- I think we are pretenders.
It's had that fake feel since WB's IMO. Like we'd hit a threshold. Injuries adding up again and we don't have the relative depth to cover. Unfortunately our bottom dozen aren't AFL standard so the 'next man in' isn't sustainable.
Not too many positives from the past few weeks. If nothing improves significantly we'll slide quickly.
Go Blues