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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Shakin77 - 07-13-2024
(07-13-2024, 09:48 AM)LP link Wrote:The ruck stuff is really just a correlation fans want to blame, it's a simple association to make, our Mids got better service this week, and we've still lost the midfield. We've only broke even in centre clearances yet Pitto and TDK gave 4 or 5 alone, English had none!
It really isn't and that's a very simplistic view. Regardless of the two rucks our midfield isn't quick. Cripps, Cerra, Kennedy and Hewett while all best 22 on ability struggle with the spread of the quick sides. Last week the Giants had +82 uncontested possessions and +35 marks. They just controlled the football. We spread like treacle. We need to compete with the likes of Heeney, Warner, Gulden and co. Having a TDK as a sole ruck helps as he can play like a midfielder. Also allows us to play someone like Hewett who can play like a defensive midfielder at contests on Libba or Bont.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 07-13-2024
The Dogs are far from a terrible team - inconsistent and erratic yes, but they've played plenty of good footy this season.
The Dogs are in a similar position to GWS last week : backs against the wall, with time running out to make finals. They turned up firing on all cylinders.
The competition is super tight. We've come off a tough patch of footy, and the boys looked off the pace today. Hopefully the North game next week will be an easy win and a percentage booster, and allow for a small reset.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 07-13-2024
2 wins 5 losses with TDK and Pittonet playing. It's over.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - crashlander - 07-13-2024
(07-13-2024, 09:58 AM)LP link Wrote:Rnd 5; Lost Saad early, cost us dearly.Blaming Pitto is neither fair nor reasonable. He more than held his own. The Dogs were aware of what we were doing in the ruck and planned our advantages away until Cripps stormed back into the game. Darcy, for example, twice did to Tom de Koning what Tom usually does to others. It wasn't his fault: the Dogs did their homework and nullified our centre clearances.
Rnd 7; Kicked 15-15 to lose to Handbaggers 18-10.
Rnd 8; Leading late, Walsh let Daicos run through a stoppage unchecked to score the winner.
Rnd 10; Smashed by Sydney with Grundy among the best.
Rnd 18; Lost to Bulldogs, English probably BoG.
The idea we could go with one ruck and compete against a rampant English with Darcy as a backup is somewhat bizarre, so fans think less ruck capacity is a win? Pitto held his own at stoppages but didn't take a single mark which is costly, but he and TDK got 4 of our 13 centre clearances, Bulldogs had 13 centre clearances also, but English got none. If we blame the rucks we are masking the problem.
Midfielders:
[1] Sam Walsh: 27 possessions but 3 clearances. Sam got the ball, but did nothing with it. Usually, he outworks his opponents, but he struggled to break away today.
[2] Adam Cerra: 19 possessions, but his opponents ... His kicking was good, but he didn't have much impact.
[3] Matthew Kennedy: had no impact at all, which is unusual. He was almost invisible.
[4] Lachie Fogarty: had a shocker. His missed goal really hurt us.
Tom got the ball a bit, but did nothing in the centre square.
The Dogs just ran out time and time again, and killed us on the ground.
Charlie: he is clearly not 100%, but 3 goals SEVEN! He kicks 7 goals 3 and the game is different.
H: dominated early and disappeared totally. Was it our fault? Good defending, or just that we couldn't get decent centre clearances?
Matt Owies: a dominant quarter and then nothing. Nada!
Matt Cottrell: should have come via the VFL. He was terrible today. Must be dropped until he gains some form.
Zac Williams: he didn't do a lot when he was on, but his superior disposal was missed when he went off.
Marchbank was ordinary today. Ollie H started well enough, but he dropped out of the game like he was shot.
We just weren't on. We dropped crucial marks, which cost us. We couldn't buy a free kick for all the tackling we did. Holding the man? Gone. Our kicking for goal: that was dreadful, and not just Charlie.
A lot of thought necessary or we'll be embarrassed next Sunday.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 07-13-2024
5 of our 6 losses with 2 rucks.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - crashlander - 07-13-2024
Cincotta: did a decent job, considering he wasn't in the middle again Bontempelli much. Even he had a couple of crucial kicking errors, although not as many as most. Bontempelli got most of his ball in the middle, which hurt us.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - kruddler - 07-13-2024
(07-13-2024, 11:08 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:2 wins 5 losses with TDK and Pittonet playing. It's over.
While you are helping my argument with that stat, I cannot let it go without pointing out the same thing I pointed out previously.
In the past, we played both it was isn't quality opposition and we were more.likely to lose.
This year it almost seems the opposite. Against the best, we are doing well with 1 ruck
Against mid table types, we are losing with 2 rucks.
That is the difference between this year's stat and previous years stats on the same.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 07-13-2024
3 weeks ago we had our best win in years and we have dropped Hewett who by Voss's own admission did nothing wrong then today we made Kennedy sub.
What are we doing?
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - laj - 07-13-2024
(07-13-2024, 10:50 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Hewett was dropped for team balance. How's that going?Agree. I'm for picking your best them play to our strength which is pressure. We'll never be fast. That includes Hewett. When that's up then we are up, including at stoppages and this year, our turnover game. Doesn't matter than how slow we are then. Geelong and Essendon found that out recently. Carlton and the Swans, when in full flight, have been shown to be the only 2 sides that can put on bursts of goals on a very short time. What you can do when your pressure is up. Quite a few times this year we have wrecked sides with 4 to 6 goals in 10-15 minutes. Swans just come off two losses too. Happens to them all.
Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - pinot - 07-13-2024
It's not Pitto - it's team composition and balance. We lacked run and putting pressure from high half forwards because we always one big bloke on the bench for half a game that cant do what high half forwards do.