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Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Sub-Zero - 06-10-2024
(06-09-2024, 11:44 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Can't get the Yeo decision out of my head, if that's the new interpretation working then the game is ruined.
I preferred how it was....
Ball winners should get as much benefit of the doubt as possible. The aim should be to get the ball, not play keepings off and then pounce on a guy and get the decision because they have a fraction of a second to dispose of it. Even before this stricter interpretation, it was, still a stricter interpretation on HTB.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - LoveNavy - 06-10-2024
(06-09-2024, 12:52 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Fairly hard fought win without the usual stars doing all the heavy lifting. They kicked inaccurately (20 odd more inside 50s), could have been very different.
TDK take bow, what a game.
Wins a win.
I agree.
As we were building earlier on, we found different ways to win. Often "ugly". Last night we found yet another way to win. Only this one featured more team first and our (developing) class. Looks to me like it's all part of Vossy's "layering' approach.
We need to successfully implement various methods in the H & A. That not only secures ladder position but sets up seemless adaptation in the finals.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - DJC - 06-10-2024
(06-09-2024, 11:44 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Can't get the Yeo decision out of my head, if that's the new interpretation working then the game is ruined.
I preferred how it was....
Yeo was penalised for dragging the ball under him, not for the new HTB interpretation. The umps are hot on players trying to force stoppages to waste time.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - IvanAwfulbigone - 06-10-2024
I’m not really in agreement with some of the comments. The Cheats played as well as we let them, which, to be honest, wasn’t very good. Anyone who thinks we’re not at LEAST a 4 goal better side every day of the week doesn’t know much IMO.
3rd quarter was one of the worst of the year - from ANY side. They got the rub of the green from Umps yet the contest was pretty much over 10 mins into the last Q. Yes, I still have residual PTSD from dropping these games consistently over last 10+ years (and not forgetting the Crows game, ugh) but, Voss is showing he’s learning to make the necessary adjustments at the right time.
Sure they missed some set shots but there were also a lot of rushed behinds because THEIR forwards chose the wrong option (a lot of shots falling just short of the goal line) and our defense effectively killed the ball by rushing it through more often than not.
Tackling still needs improving. Saw the stats of Weitering’s 2 opponents - he’s unbelievably difficult to play against.
My biggest concern at this stage is that the Swannies are looking like that ‘once in a 10 year’ side, where everything just clicks and they sustain no/few injuries. The premiership window only opens very slightly and usually for a relatively short time.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - IvanAwfulbigone - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 01:28 AM)DJC link Wrote:Yeo was penalised for dragging the ball under him, not for the new HTB interpretation. The umps are hot on players trying to force stoppages to waste time.
Yeah, I’m ok with the Yeo decision. Definitely dragged it in and held it with both hands. People are saying he was on his knees - like that makes a difference? What is the opposition supposed to do - wait for him to stand up before tackling?
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - WASurfer - 06-10-2024
Presumably no worries for Cripps on that tackle where a free kick was awarded for a dangerous tackle? The reply looked to show minimal contact of the head with the ground.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Lods - 06-10-2024
'Experts' on Fox Footy last night said Cripps has 'nothing to worry about'.
So he probably should be just a little bit concerned.
Think he'll be OK though
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Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - Lods - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 01:42 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:I’m not really in agreement with some of the comments. The Cheats played as well as we let them, which, to be honest, wasn’t very good. Anyone who thinks we’re not at LEAST a 4 goal better side every day of the week doesn’t know much IMO.
3rd quarter was one of the worst of the year - from ANY side. They got the rub of the green from Umps yet the contest was pretty much over 10 mins into the last Q. Yes, I still have residual PTSD from dropping these games consistently over last 10+ years (and not forgetting the Crows game, ugh) but, Voss is showing he’s learning to make the necessary adjustments at the right time.
Sure they missed some set shots but there were also a lot of rushed behinds because THEIR forwards chose the wrong option (a lot of shots falling just short of the goal line) and our defense effectively killed the ball by rushing it through more often than not.
Tackling still needs improving. Saw the stats of Weitering’s 2 opponents - he’s unbelievably difficult to play against.
My biggest concern at this stage is that the Swannies are looking like that ‘once in a 10 year’ side, where everything just clicks and they sustain no/few injuries. The premiership window only opens very slightly and usually for a relatively short time.
That's the thing though isn't it....
At our best we're probably at least the second best side in the competition.
"The ladder doesn't lie" according to Voss.
But would that effort last night get close to the Swans.
Essendon are pretenders
We shouldn't struggle to put them away.
We should crush them.
They shouldn't enter our 50 twenty times more than we enter theirs.
We had a couple of outstanding efforts last night.
We also had some mediocre ones by player's own standards.
It was good.
It wasn't great.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 01:28 AM)DJC link Wrote:Yeo was penalised for dragging the ball under him, not for the new HTB interpretation. The umps are hot on players trying to force stoppages to waste time.Should have got a free for the Nth holding the ball decision imo and he had no prior when he was tackled, that was red hot and should have been a ball up. To me there are too many quick HTB's and then in the next tackle, the player is allowed way more time than the previous and I still find it depends on the player and who he it is. Lachie Neale always seems to get double the time Joe average does for example....the other one is when the player is tackled and attempts to kick the ball, many times the player makes no contact with the ball and it should be incorrect disposal not HTB but play is allowed to go on depending on who the player is.
Re: AFL Rd 13 2024 Post Game Celebrations - Carlton vs Essendon - DJC - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 03:57 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Should have got a free for the Nth holding the ball decision imo and he had no prior when he was tackled, that was red hot and should have been a ball up. To me there are too many quick HTB's and then in the next tackle, the player is allowed way more time than the previous and I still find it depends on the player and who he it is. Lachie Neale always seems to get double the time Joe average does for example....the other one is when the player is tackled and attempts to kick the ball, many times the player makes no contact with the ball and it should be incorrect disposal not HTB but play is allowed to go on depending on who the player is.
Prior opportunity doesn’t apply when you drag the ball in. The umpires are instructed to pay a free as soon as the ball is dragged in.
Yeo was trying to get a stoppage and run the clock down and it backfired.
I agree with your comments about the increased inconsistency of HTB decisions and the sooner we go back to a reasonable time to dispose of the ball, the better.