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Re: It's now or never! - DJC - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 01:56 AM)LP link Wrote:I think when fit Cottrell has one wing covered, and can't see anyone supplanting Acres.
Does McMahon lacks the pace needed to create space at the AFL level?
Also, next season we have SoJ back who in my opinion is another good wing option, perhaps SoJ's best position.
Selection is going to be very interesting in the coming weeks, Cerra, Martin and Motlop all potentially returning.
Except Cottrell hasn't played on the wing all season. He has been playing as a high half forward since midway through last season and is playing his best ever footy in that role. In his own words, "People don't come to the footy to watch a half-forward run his patterns. They come for Charlie Curnow, not a high half-forward whose job it is to connect with the winger. But it's a good role, it suits my game and the way I play."
If Jack Silvagni ever plays as a winger, he will spend half the game chasing after a speedy opponent before being subbed out. Jack's best position is as a lead up forward.
Re: It's now or never! - LP - 06-10-2024
The labels and where they stand under the 6-6-6 are largely irrelevant, it's where they go in general play that matters and Cottrell and Acres basically mirror each other on opposite sides of the ground from the back pocket to full forward.
Cottrell might have SoJ covered for pace, but I doubt Acres does!
As far as I'm concerned SoJ's very best games and quarters all came with him running the wing. The wing isn't just about pace, it's about aerobic capacity and willpower, that should be fairly obvious to us having just watched the Nik Cox push up and down the field for 4 qtrs last weekend causing havoc for us at both ends of the ground.
Fraser Gehrig says hello!
Re: It's now or never! - Lods - 06-10-2024
What to do with Silvagni when he returns is an interesting question.
I see him as taking Kennedy's role.
The question though is... if everyone was fit would Kennedy be playing.
Silvagni is the ideal bench player (not sub), but a player who can provide rests for a number of different positions
Re: It's now or never! - Thryleon - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 10:27 PM)Lods link Wrote:What to do with Silvagni when he returns is an interesting question.
I see him as taking Kennedy's role.
The question though is... if everyone was fit would Kennedy be playing.
Silvagni is the ideal bench player (not sub), but a player who can provide rests for a number of different positions
Needs to come back ready to play. I worry that SOS biggest weakness after an acl might be amplified and that's his lack of leg speed. He's got a heart as big as phar lap and he won't be going off of the list too soon, but I think he's missed most of our recent matches where we've changed gears and become a better side. There's room for him in the team but it might be as a specialist sub.
Re: It's now or never! - DJC - 06-10-2024
(06-10-2024, 10:02 PM)LP link Wrote:The labels and where they stand under the 6-6-6 are largely irrelevant, it's where they go in general play that matters and Cottrell and Acres basically mirror each other on opposite sides of the ground from the back pocket to full forward.
Cottrell might have SoJ covered for pace, but I doubt Acres does!
As far as I'm concerned SoJ's very best games and quarters all came with him running the wing. The wing isn't just about pace, it's about aerobic capacity and willpower, that should be fairly obvious to us having just watched the Nik Cox push up and down the field for 4 qtrs last weekend causing havoc for us at both ends of the ground.
Fraser Gehrig says hello!
You know what LP, I reckon Cottrell knows what his role is and he says it’s connecting with the winger, ie Acres and Hollands.
Silvagni, as a lead up forward, often works up the ground and gets possessions on the wing. That doesn’t make him a winger … and never will.
Re: It's now or never! - kruddler - 06-11-2024
(06-10-2024, 10:27 PM)Lods link Wrote:What to do with Silvagni when he returns is an interesting question.
I see him as taking Kennedy's role.
The question though is... if everyone was fit would Kennedy be playing.
Silvagni is the ideal bench player (not sub), but a player who can provide rests for a number of different positions
TBH, i haven't got Kennedy in my best side when everyone else is fit....and that is excluding SOS and Doc.
I championed Kennedy to cover the Silvagni role (3rd tall......and even pinch hitting in the ruck!) and he has done just that. Offers more run by comparison, maybe, but not more leg speed. Both are slow.
I still think there is a need for a 3rd forward in the side and that is not TDK. We only need 1 ruck and if TDK is playing, it should be as #1 ruck or not at all. Yes, that has worked on the odd occasion, but we are actually 2-4 when he has played that role this year....that is all our losses has come when he has played as 3rd tall/backup ruck.
So SOS playing that role works a bit better than any other options on our list. People forget SOS kicked 4 against Port Adelaide last year, which is more than TDK or any other 3rd tall option has kicked for us.
So goes back to your original hypothesis.....who does SOS displace in the best 22.....if Kennedy isn't in it.
That depends on how many of our best 22 are actually fit.
I would expect the 'bottom 6' of our best 22 would include at least 2 (potentially 4) small forwards.....who would be the most likely given the lack of output we've seen by numerous different ones.
Re: It's now or never! - madbluboy - 06-11-2024
Lucky for TDK he's the number 1 ruck then hey!
Re: It's now or never! - kruddler - 06-11-2024
(06-11-2024, 04:48 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Lucky for TDK he's the number 1 ruck then hey!
Tell that to Vossy.
He either stays that way or he swaps him out for Pitto......not both.
Re: It's now or never! - LP - 06-11-2024
I love SoJ as a true Bluebagger, but I fear that whatever direction we go in, TDK is already on a trajectory to pass SoJ bye as a viable 3rd forward as well as still being a premier ruck. Everybody could see this coming, only fans guarding their Favs have failed to admit it.
If I'm cold about it, I'd run rucks mostly off the bench and have Martin as the 3rd forward target well ahead of all other options.
I suspect Williams can cover Owies if they eventually go head to head, and I suspect Owies can probably cover Durdin, but Motlop has the potential to cover both Owies and Durdin. Right now Owies is Mr Reliable so he is something we desperately need.
Some of this is going to come about because Elijah Hollands has changed the Mid/Forward dynamic, I would be interesting to see what he can do alongside Martin or Motlop.
It's a long season, lots can change, but most of our AFL regulars list looks to be on the up.
Re: It's now or never! - Lods - 06-11-2024
(06-11-2024, 04:51 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Tell that to Vossy.
He either stays that way or he swaps him out for Pitto......not both.
That line of thinking is based on the assumption that something that hasn't worked in the past will never work.
Because Tom doesn't seem to have the same impact when he's playing 'second fiddle', we assume that will always be the case.
It's based on a very small sample.
It's based on no improvement and adjustment from DeKoning.
It ignores games like the GWS one where Tom was quiet effective with Pittonet rucking as well.
One of the criticisms of DeKoning last year was he didn't really contribute around the ground....that he was 'unrealised' potential.
Well twelve months later and that's not the case anymore.
Walsh and Cripps were quiet on the weekend...Would they have been as quiet with Pittonet rucking for some of the time.
Kennedy and Cripps contested a couple of contests and just ended up giving away free kicks.
I don't necessarily subscribe to either combination...but I don't disregard either outright.