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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 08:30 AM)pinot link Wrote:We got beaten in the middle - they had two taggers basically - Rowbottom was on a tackling warpath and Jordan kept holding onto Walsh restricting him from hunting the ball. We didn't reciprocate with our own tagger(s) - Pitto had zero tackles and Grundy had a party on him. I understand we are trying to implement our own style but clubs have figured us out and taggers are now back in vogue.I agree, Hewett is probably our main run with player and Kennedy can do the job as well as provide some drive but both Warner and Heeney have them for pace and once goalside with a break on our players they were not going to be caught.
The player we miss in the middle like I said before is Cerra who has a bit more toe and a bit more class and would have been a better match for Warner in particular and would have required both those Swans mids to pay attention to rather than being fully offensive players. When we have Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy and Hewett in the middle we can look slow on the chase as a few news articles have suggested, I'd like to see E. Hollands spend a bit more time in the middle and maybe do what a few other teams do and throw the odd different player in there..
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 05-20-2024
I think we lost something when Ed retired and we pigeon holed Hewett into being our tagger, Hewett was more value when he wasn't shadowing opposition.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Baggers - 05-20-2024
(05-20-2024, 06:25 AM)kruddler link Wrote:For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.
He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.
If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.
Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.
Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.
I understand the sentimentality of giving senior games to such a terrific kid with considerable running ability... but with cold objectivity it's obvious he needs a chance to develop more confidence in other areas of his game as he just isn't delivering hurt to the opposition with his disposals.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Professer E - 05-20-2024
Ollie did ok in the first half vs the dees the week prior though
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 05-21-2024
(05-20-2024, 10:46 PM)Baggers date Wrote:Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.The problem that Ollie and others like him have is the focus on weaknesses that the AFL brings, if you hesitate opponents see it and forever more know, they know where to stand and what to say to put doubts in your head, it's the sporting equivalent of a game of chicken and they know you've blinked before.
Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.
All AFL players have to continually improve their shortcomings, expect every opponent to know them, and if there is no improvement expect those deficits to be amplified week in week out.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Baggers - 05-21-2024
(05-20-2024, 11:32 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Ollie did ok in the first half vs the dees the week prior though
Yep, when we were in charge of the game... but when the pressure came, our system was countered, he (and some others), wilted, failed to step up, failed when the need arrived to grit teeth and dig deep and get back to basics, especially sticking tackles and hurting for your team mate.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 05-21-2024
Its a symptom not a cause. He's working through bits and pieces and what we are seeing is a young talented player being out competed by seasoned pros. Wait until Harley Reid comes back to the field.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 05-21-2024
I don't think Harley is coming back ;D
That horse has bolted.
He's leaving the very best in his wake.
That's not a player who will suffer second year blues...unless they come at him with a tank.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 05-21-2024
^^
Hes already needed a spell in his first year. Wait until he's playing every week with a couple of players hanging off him.
It may even happen this year.
Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 05-21-2024
Pitto out
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1560316/injury-news-tests-for-five-blues-pittonet-to-miss
@ Thry. I'll respond in the season AFL thread-They won't stop him.