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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Sexybronco - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 08:56 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Both of those need to come back via the seconds. No automatic selections. No passengers.Martin is quality but fragile, I wouldn’t wast any games he can play in the seconds unless he needs to find fitness, but I agree with your sentiment in general.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - townsendcalling - 04-04-2024
One thing we should not overlook, is that from a team point of view, two of our best performances last year (v Swans and Melb in Sept) it was the Pittonet / TDK combination that worked for us. It should not be discounted when the time is right.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - pertz - 04-04-2024
Horses for courses playing 2 rucks it's that simple, no need to complicate it. TDK is the No 1 ruck, Pittonet only comes in when TDK injured or the opposition demands it. TDK' s next phase of development is to learn the skills that Gawn has which someone mentioned. I.e when you don't have the ball, block, shepherd, clear a path for the smaller players Kreuzer was very good at this, played like a ruck rover when the ball hit the ground. Very team oriented and smart. TDK yet to learn these aspects of the craft IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Thryleon - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 08:22 AM)Professer E link Wrote:HTF Fantasia keeps getting a game is beyond me. The photos must be incriminating.
I think he's playing a selfless role, has football nous a plenty and is playing a position that isn't going to rack up stats. Boyd and fantasia both were in a position to have a rush of blood and try score a goal but lowered their eyes and spotted up a team mate closer and in better position to score resulting in goals.
I'd wager he's a leader in our forward line too where there are a lot of players who haven't had a proper mentor so willing to let him do that.
So far he hasn't been stellar but he hasn't really done much wrong either.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - LoveNavy - 04-04-2024
Let's hope captain Crippa is quick to recover after the baby Koda arrival.
Wonderful news for Mr & Mrs Crippa.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - RiverRat - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 08:22 AM)Professer E link Wrote:HTF Fantasia keeps getting a game is beyond me. The photos must be incriminating.
Might prove to be a useful sub
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - DJC - 04-04-2024
(04-04-2024, 01:34 PM)RiverRat link Wrote:Might prove to be a useful sub
We’ve had Durdin and Fantasia as the sub in the last two games and it looks like it’s Durdin’s turn this round.
Raz was good when he came on last week and he is noticeably more vocal than our other forwards. Perhaps that’s part of the reason he’s in the 23.
I quite like the idea of a small forward as the sub and I expect that we’ll see Durdin, Fantasia and even Motlop in the sub vest throughout the season.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - kruddler - 04-05-2024
(04-04-2024, 05:26 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Not sure TDK is going that great....didnt think he dominated vs Nth and his opponent Xerri who could be described as awkward at best matched him in the ruck and was better in the clearances and contested work. Think both of them took one mark for the game each....
Im not paying TDK a zillion a year based on that effort and imho he is a tad overrated for what he delivers....I preferred his game when Pittonet would spend the first half softening their opponents up and TDK would take over later in the game and be more dominating....
TDKs ruck craft is lacking.....its always been lacking.
However, TDKs around the ground work was where he was supposed to 'pay off' and that is what has lifted to a level we all hoped.
He hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but he is a step above where he was last year.
Can we get more out of TDK if we have Pitto in the side. Absolutely. 1-2 combo punch between them gives us a more dominant ruck combo.
Is the team better off as a whole by the increased ruck stocks? Keeping in mind a whole other player is not picked as a result, probably a Fogarty, Durdin, Fantasia type misses out. We lose our run and pressure, which i think is our key.
Of course the added benefit is the confidence boosting we are getting by letting Harry run free as backup ruck as well.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - Lods - 04-06-2024
(04-05-2024, 08:49 AM)kruddler link Wrote:TDKs ruck craft is lacking.....its always been lacking.
However, TDKs around the ground work was where he was supposed to 'pay off' and that is what has lifted to a level we all hoped.
He hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but he is a step above where he was last year.
Can we get more out of TDK if we have Pitto in the side. Absolutely. 1-2 combo punch between them gives us a more dominant ruck combo.
Is the team better off as a whole by the increased ruck stocks? Keeping in mind a whole other player is not picked as a result, probably a Fogarty, Durdin, Fantasia type misses out. We lose our run and pressure, which i think is our key.
Of course the added benefit is the confidence boosting we are getting by letting Harry run free as backup ruck as well.
That's probably the one/two ruck debate in a nutshell.
Is it more beneficial to play two rucks or one?
It's dependent on a number of factors and variables.
1) Are Pitto and TDK uninjured and in form?
2) Who is Pittonet or Tom being replaced by?
3) What skills and abilities does the player replacing the ruckman bring to the side.
4) Does the extra 'run' from one player contribute more than a two pronged ruck attack
These are questions that can't always be easily answered.
An extra player replacing the ruckman would no doubt be a fringe player.
Many of our fringe players are actually role players, in the side for specific tasks.
When Walsh is available....
It won't be a choice between Walsh and Pittonet.
It will come down to a choice between Pittonet and a fringe player.
What impact can a fringe player can have on the outcome of a game.
There may be an advantage in some games, but surely not every game.
So each game must be looked at in terms of the best side, matching up against opposition strengths and weaknesses.
In respect of Harry doing the second rucking work....it's working well three games in.
Will it be working well 20 games in, or will Harry suffer the same fatigue and stress, that Jack Silvagni experienced when called upon to perform that role.
The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide - LP - 04-06-2024
(04-06-2024, 12:20 AM)Lods date Wrote:Will it be working well 20 games in, or will Harry suffer the same fatigue and stress, that Jack Silvagni experienced when called upon to perform that role.The risk is immensely disproportional to the benefit of those two options. I'd say they deliver about the same in terms of 2nd ruck, at least at the moment, but on the risk side one is a Coleman medallist entering his prime the other a useful utility on the fringe of the 22.
The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
(04-06-2024, 12:20 AM)Lods date Wrote:The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.What we do week to week depends far more on the opposition list than the capabilities and combinations of our own list, how well our team is managed by the MC will determine the fate of our team's 2024 campaign.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.