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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - RiverRat - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 10:36 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Tom de Koning barely had a touch in the first half.TDK doesn't look like a key forward and neither does Pitto but both have different attributes to offer as on-ball ruckmen.
After half time: Tom de Koning was far more effective. he got the ball, he got his hand on the ball and his goal was a miracle.
Might be too late this season but, with TDK's mobility, I would like to see him tried in different roles instead of being ineffective as a key forward. I reckon he could contribute as a tall defender (allowing Weiters to play at CHB) or provide interesting match up options as HFF or as winger.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - spf - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 12:15 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Is Bont even getable?
Not sure, but let's start with the money we save on Gresham, improved cash position with McGovern's reduced contract, and go from there. That's about $600-700k, and we can offload a couple of others to bring that to over $1Million. Not sure about draft / trade currency......
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 02:26 PM)RiverRat link Wrote:TDK doesn't look like a key forward and neither does Pitto but both have different attributes to offer as on-ball ruckmen.I could be wrong but perhaps its yet another role he is asked to play which is a sacrificial one for the team. He may be there resting but taking a good defender whilst either creating space for Charlie or getting to the smalls. Liked Tom's bullocking yesterday, imposed him on a number of occasions. An example was that goal from the stoppage which whilst lucky was intentional.
Might be too late this season but, with TDK's mobility, I would like to see him tried in different roles instead of being ineffective as a key forward. I reckon he could contribute as a tall defender (allowing Weiters to play at CHB) or provide interesting match up options as HFF or as winger.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 03:35 PM)spf link Wrote:Not sure, but let's start with the money we save on Gresham, improved cash position with McGovern's reduced contract, and go from there. That's about $600-700k, and we can offload a couple of others to bring that to over $1Million. Not sure about draft / trade currency......Surely there is no way he walks away on the Dogs, apart from being the skipper, he is too loyal I reckon. In any case, he is contracted for 2024 so a trade would have to me massive.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Micky0 - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 09:14 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Surely there is no way he walks away on the Dogs, apart from being the skipper, he is too loyal I reckon. In any case, he is contracted for 2024 so a trade would have to me massive.I’d be properly shocked if he ever left the Dogs. He is royalty there.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - IvanAwfulbigone - 08-06-2023
Some really good assessments already - especially from CRASH.
I was one of those who turned off in disgust at half time - first time I’ve ever done that in over 40 years. And not before firing off some keyboard warrior comments in other forums bagging our own. I was w-w-wrong.
Have watched the second half on replay. Definitely best win of the year. I just can’t stand St Kilda - got more joy from yesterday than from last week.
Am also perplexed by players receiving instructions on the phone when Voss is sitting right next to them. Is this is a newly implemented process? If so, keep doing!
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - cookie2 - 08-06-2023
Got out of my sick bed to watch this game and it cheered me up no end! Fingerbiting and frustrating for 3 quarters, what a treat it ended up being. We showed the steel and determination we've all been craving for many a long year. I was definitely anxious about the inclusion of Dow and Fisher but both of them made good contributions, especially Dow with his goal. I noticed he was part of the post match interview with Crippa who gave him a big wrap. Got the feeling Dow could hardly believe it.
My optimism grows! ?
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Baggers - 08-06-2023
(08-06-2023, 10:11 AM)LP link Wrote:Thought it was a very even team performance, probably Newman and Weiters were the standouts.
I thought Charlie was spectacular in the first quarter, best field kick of any AFL tall going around at the moment!
Not so sure on this 'evenness' Spotted One. It did come, but took something special to make it happen.
The first half was anything but an 'even' contribution. Weiters commented after the game that our first half was "...flat with our efforts..." We had plenty of blokes 'flat' in the first half with the predictable symptoms: mistakes in disposal and decision making. Have no doubts we could easily have fallen back into previous bad habits against the Aints, an all too familiar scenario. However, and proof of our meaningful progress...
Leadership.
Our leaders really stood up and showed the way. Newman, Docherty, Cripps, Acres & Weiters were excellent examples of true leadership in the 2nd half. Bona fide progress. And TDK's goal from nothing early in the 3rd was also a great tonic; spark. Lifted and gave optimism to his team mates. Our leaders showed the way on how to play 'our way.'
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 08-06-2023
Not quite sure I understand the negativity around that win, or the first half in particular. St Kilda's pressure was off the charts. Ross Lyon teams are never easy to beat, never easy to score against. They've been in the top 8 since early in the year for a reason. That was a super win IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - BluePhantom - 08-06-2023
I feel so safe when Docherty has the ball in his hands.
He is almost Doull like.
The new Iceman. (Bruce's other nickname, since the flying Doormat doesn't quite fit Doc)