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Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Gointocarlton - 05-13-2023
I went along last night, sat behind the goals on level 2. I dont know what I watched from us TBH. Forget about first half versus second half, just in general my observations were as follows.
From them, I saw hard running up and down the ground especially numbers to their D50 to create a contest at every entry. They set up players on along the centre square line to block our kick in to the corridor from the wings. They were dynamite at getting the ball out to space from congestion with 2 or 3 quick handballs to runners going passed. The seemed to know exactly what do, it looked like set play after set play from my vantage point.
Us?
The Bad: Kicks from FB are substandard. Our transition from def to fwd is predictable, kick to the wings and run it along the boundary line. We are forced (or just do it through sheer stupidity) to kick to 2 on 1s or even 3 on 1s far too often. Our def was very ordinary last night, sloppy at best. Poor old Weiters looks cooked ATM, at one stage he and Newmy were flat out arguing in front of us. We were constantly having to stop, prop have a look, and ultimately. The efforts int front of goal from H, Motlop and Cripps were embarrassing.
The guys seem to have no confidence at the minute, to a man they seem scared to take a risk with a kick which could be turned over.
The Good:
Not many, I thought Kennedy was excellent all night. Pitto tried very hard against English but struggles around the ground.
Apart from Owies who just goes back, owns it and slots it and Charlie when he got going, our fwd play was as woeful as our defence. I'd hate to think what type of night we would have had without Owies.
I didn't expect to win and we didn't, that's about it, onto Coll who strangely now, I think we can beat on the MCG.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 05-13-2023
(05-13-2023, 09:39 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I went along last night, sat behind the goals on level 2. I dont know what I watched from us TBH. Forget about first half versus second half, just in general my observations were as follows.cottrell and hollands were good.
From them, I saw hard running up and down the ground especially numbers to their D50 to create a contest at every entry. They set up players on along the centre square line to block our kick in to the corridor from the wings. They were dynamite at getting the ball out to space from congestion with 2 or 3 quick handballs to runners going passed. The seemed to know exactly what do, it looked like set play after set play from my vantage point.
Us?
The Bad: Kicks from FB are substandard. Our transition from def to fwd is predictable, kick to the wings and run it along the boundary line. We are forced (or just do it through sheer stupidity) to kick to 2 on 1s or even 3 on 1s far too often. Our def was very ordinary last night, sloppy at best. Poor old Weiters looks cooked ATM, at one stage he and Newmy were flat out arguing in front of us. We were constantly having to stop, prop have a look, and ultimately. The efforts int front of goal from H, Motlop and Cripps were embarrassing.
The guys seem to have no confidence at the minute, to a man they seem scared to take a risk with a kick which could be turned over.
The Good:
Not many, I thought Kennedy was excellent all night. Pitto tried very hard against English but struggles around the ground.
Apart from Owies who just goes back, owns it and slots it and Charlie when he got going, our fwd play was as woeful as our defence. I'd hate to think what type of night we would have had without Owies.
I didn't expect to win and we didn't, that's about it, onto Coll who strangely now, I think we can beat on the MCG.
Jack and mcgovern both put in a shift too.
Owies was clearly one of our better players and its an indictment on his teamates that a former basketballer is the best set shot at the club.
Charlie was decent but has better in him.
For mine the coaching isn't the issue. Had we converted just 2 of our early set shots all of which were gettable the whole game changes.
You have given the bulldogs way too much credit. They spent two quarters navel gazing and both sides were just going last night. They didn't start working until they fell behind last night.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 05-13-2023
Another Jekyll and Hyde performance. Some good work and some ah ya ya. Interesting that it seemed to be a night for the no name players. Most of the stars did little. I thought Saad and Young were ok. Walsh was his usual industrious and hard working self. Charlie Curnow has a bit of the Nick Riewoldt form factor last night - good game I thought.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Micky0 - 05-13-2023
Why don’t our players man up? What is the point of standing between two opposition players?
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 05-13-2023
I've thought about it. The more this goes on the more I think our players are in poor condition and our pre season must have been rubbish. Why that is could be anyone's guess but hollands, a first year player is showing more nous and ability than guys in the system for 4 years plus.
Cotters for all his vaunted running power and fitness has had a massive spell and yet looked in better nick than most of them. This equation is one that is simple enough to gauge.
Our strength and conditioning is off which has led to more and more lack of belief and more execution problems.
Our game management suggests the same. We are stopping and slowing the game down as much as possible to get numbers up the park. That's a sign of a team who isn't capable of running a game out and is only willing to take the game on when they have to.
It's simplistic to say the coach has no idea or we are easy to play against.
Our set shot kicking is deplorable too. Another sign the players are not in prime condition.
Worst thing is that we tend to get worse not better in this regard and our formline is actually getting eorse not better.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Thryleon - 05-13-2023
(05-13-2023, 10:00 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:Why don’t our players man up? What is the point of standing between two opposition players?manning up is a 90s style perspective on football.
If you man up you chase a player that breaks your structure and allows quick transition play whilst players aimlessly follow guys around the park and get pulled out of shape.
It also isolates men one on one in certain areas of the ground and usually results in players like the bont getting one on ones against guys that have no chance of beating him in a contest.
Going man on man is very simple and I don't think a team has won a flag doing it without having the best players in the competition since the turn of the century.
Our players look as lost as they did playing for Bolton. The criticism back then was the game plan was too complicated. Our guys must just be dumb.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Professer E - 05-13-2023
Sounds likes you want to point the finger at the S&C crew ... Didn't you get the memo, they're beyond reproach?
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Lods - 05-13-2023
(05-13-2023, 02:09 PM)crashlander link Wrote:It isn't that he doesn't chase ad tackle; he has a lot of tackles this year. But his possessions are not getting to Carlton players. And he is another whose kicking for goal has dropped off markedly. The way he is held before the ball gets near is amazing; he should have more frees than anyone else in the comp, but he just doesn't get them.
I mentioned before that Acres's disposal was poor (47%)
I also mentioned that sadly it wasn't the worst.
Both Cripps (42%) and Weitering (46%) were poorer.
I cut them a bit more slack than Acres because of the attention Cripps gets, and the fact that a lot of Weitering's kicks were hacks out of defence under pressure.
But still poor and costly.
On the small forwards... if you could take the best bits of Motlop, Durdin and Owies and combine them into one player we'd have a super small forward.
But they take up three places, not one, and I'm not sure we benefit with all three playing at the same time.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Micky0 - 05-13-2023
The ease of which we allow it out of our forward half is embarrassing.
You must contest every play. Yet we do not. When Jesse ran down a player just out of our f50, we got the turn over.
I agree with ^ re conditioning. maybe that is the problem. Altho Dogs looked gassed end of 3rd quarter, but were able to get it done.
Who knows. So bloody annoying, after last year I think i and many others thought we were just a small step from finals. We are not.
We will get annihilated next week, I’m glad somethings come up and we can’t go. Last night was putrid in the first half and the last quarter. Not enjoyable one bit.
Re: AFL Rd 9 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Micky0 - 05-13-2023
What did Voss say in the presser? I have no energy to watch…!