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Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - laj - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 12:51 PM)LordLucifer link Wrote:Very very happy with the percentage boosting win because our ladder position desperately needed it.
However, we turned the ball over at some very strange times in the match and more times than not under no pressure at all. Had we done that stuff against one of the better teams we would have been given a serious touch-up.
Cincotta & Kemp showed that they have a future in our backline, they are straight ahead no-nonsense sort of players. I can't see them ever being bona-fide A-Graders but they don't have to be. Put those two in with young Cowan and let them all grow together, I think we honestly have something of substance with the the three of them.
Whilst I'm no Pittonet fan, he was pretty good whenever the ball was above his waist, if it ever falls below that level he is next to useless. TDK may be younger and more agile but it showed tonight that Pitto is going to be the preferred option and Tom will be on the trade table.
Curnow had a day out and it was a shame he couldn't get his 10th but that the way it goes. Harry should have kicked another couple but he seems well out of sorts at the moment. It was pretty obvious that we don't have anyone else in the forwardline we can rely on and this is going to be a huge issue for the rest of the season unless someone has a mid-season transformation into Jezza, Fev, Eddie or Sticks.
I thought Cerra & Docherty were good all game & Hollands just keeps doing the basics really well.
Silvagni did bugger all for most of the match as did Cripps. Honey kicked a nice goal and gave off that smart pass to Silvagni but that was about it. Fisher continues to try the impossible and always gets himself into trouble, Walsh hit an Eagles player on the chest by foot more times than I have ever seem him do, hope that is a one-off.
Overall, we comprehensively beat a team we were expected to (and they gave everything they had for 3/4 too) but it doesn't erase or make up for the past two losses which were pathetic & insipid.
Lions next Friday night is going to another litmus test.
The important thing I saw wasn't the win but the attitude. We haven't brought that often at all. First time I've seen Carlton put their foot on the throat for 4 qtrs. for years. Normally it would have been a 50 to 60pts lead, foot off the gas and win by 35 to 40pts. Hopefully means the penny has dropped. Not worried so much about better sides, we can match anyone, as we have seen in the last couple of years, it's about the attitude we bring. Bring the right attitude and we win most games.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - BluePhantom - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 11:41 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:That's the worst WC team I have seen, it was like playing a WAFL lineup.Similar scoreline to the Dees v Kangamaybes? Maybe one of them should move to Tassie?
Simpson has substandard players and raw kids to work with. The experienced players like Hurn and Darling are finished and should have joined Kennedy in retirement.
Even some of his injured players like Yeo, Shuey, NicNat are too banged up to play a full season.
The AFL will have to give them draft concessions and allow them some extra players as they are just uncompetitive.
The only thing they have going for them is they are a cashed up club with a good membership but last night was an embarrassment for the AFL.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - LoveNavy - 04-30-2023
(04-29-2023, 11:41 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:That's the worst WC team I have seen, it was like playing a WAFL lineup.
Simpson has substandard players and raw kids to work with. The experienced players like Hurn and Darling are finished and should have joined Kennedy in retirement.
Even some of his injured players like Yeo, Shuey, NicNat are too banged up to play a full season.
The AFL will have to give them draft concessions and allow them some extra players as they are just uncompetitive.
The only thing they have going for them is they are a cashed up club with a good membership but last night was an embarrassment for the AFL.
We were that embarrassment in 2018. Having 3 100+ beltings. 2015 wasn't much better either. Covid wasn't a thing but we still managed classic defeats across those seasons.
Thankfully we seem to be on the improve now but we have all been there.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Baggers - 04-30-2023
Nice. And as some of us have been saying for a while... this group needed to really put a weaker side away with 4 strong, consistent qtrs, especially finishing well. Not so long ago we would have surrendered that big lead and won by about 7 or 8 gls, regardless of the opponent. Well done boys.
Small Durds looks so much better when he can roam up the ground.
H needs a big haul to regain some goal kicking confidence. Every other part of his game is really good.
Blacres is a great pick up.
Honey & Fisher remain on thin ice, and Hollands needs a rest.
Great to see Doc and Saady get through the game okay.
The more I see of Cincotta the more I like him. Provides dash and excellent disposal (except for one turnover).
Defence, midfield and forwards, as groups, all delivered.
And when the early heat was on, Kempy was really good, with some impressive intercept marks and spoils.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 04-30-2023
(04-29-2023, 11:47 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Tough crowd here, you can only play what's in front of you, it needed to be a flogging and thankfully it was. On that basis, it was a great performance.
Onto next week, hopefully the guys received some much needed confidence, it will be tough and they need to remain level headed.
That would have been a "danger game" for us a couple of seasons ago but we managed to get our first 100+ points winning margin since 2011.
All part of developing the culture
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Professer E - 04-30-2023
Sorry EB, the weegles can rot for all I care. Draft concessions? Where was the AFL when we bottomed out for 20+ years. No way. They refused to rebuild three years ago and are paying for it now, just like the Whorethorn tankers.
Eagles have a lot of very over rated, underperforming senior players that need to take a damn hard look at themselves
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 12:03 AM)DJC link Wrote:That would have been a "danger game" for us a couple of seasons ago but we managed to get our first 100+ points winning margin since 2011.A mate of mine went across for the game, he is always banging on about how we don't put teams away, put the foot on their throat so to speak. He said to me he was expecting nothing less than a 100 point win, he'll be a satisfied man today.
All part of developing the culture
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - PaulP - 04-30-2023
We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - northernblue - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 12:50 AM)PaulP link Wrote:We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
Surely it is, because it happened… but I agree it needs to become part of our dna going forward
Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast - Lods - 04-30-2023
(04-30-2023, 12:50 AM)PaulP link Wrote:We have form over the last 10-15 years for both getting ahead of ourselves and for being downhill skiers. I for one would be wanting to see a larger body of work before I declare last night's game to be some kind of watershed moment.
The same applies in reverse though.
Folks lost the plot a bit after the St Kilda game.