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Re: Weiters scammed - LP - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 03:53 AM)blueboys_1 date Wrote:And not once did he ring his bank to check on this.?He was dealing with the NAB, from what I understand multiple contacts masquerading as NAB, if you already think you are talking to NAB what are you supposed to do?
Golden rule always call your institution first no matter what.
I'll give you a bigger question to answer, these "banks" as they call themselves go on and on about their security, how they will detect unusual transactions and block accounts. I've had them block my account more than once even for trivial amounts just because I was using it OS while my wife was using it at home, and that was for a trivial amount!
Yet when someone seemingly starts transferring their life saving by the limit day after day into an external / foreign account, a massive amount of money by any standard, the bank delivers crickets?
I'd be saddling up the lawyers, because that is exactly what bank security is supposed to stop, and the bank marketing is full of such claims!
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 07:30 AM)LP link Wrote:He was dealing with the NAB, from what I understand multiple contacts masquerading as NAB, if you already think you are talking to NAB what are you supposed to do?You go to your local branch and get them to check your stuff out, you are never sure on phone and its too easy to get passed around and not get anywhere. The banks have been sending out scam awareness emails for a while now and they let everyone know their fraud dept number to contact for such events and thats how they cover their Ar$e legally.
I'll give you a bigger question to answer, these "banks" as they call themselves go on and on about their security, how they will detect unusual transactions and block accounts. I've had them block my account more than once even for trivial amounts just because I was using it OS while my wife was using it at home, and that was for a trivial amount!
Yet when someone seemingly starts transferring their life saving by the limit day after day into an external / foreign account, a massive amount of money by any standard, the bank delivers crickets?
I'd be saddling up the lawyers, because that is exactly what bank security is supposed to stop, and the bank marketing is full of such claims!
Banks buy and sell money thats how they make money and are setup for corporate and institutional banking, mum and dad home accounts are just a minor nuisance in the big scheme of things and are forced upon them by Governments to look after the poor huddled masses. Unless you have real big money with them they dont give a flying feck about your life savings or little bank pension book etc..
Re: Weiters scammed - LP - 04-29-2023
It's a software algorithm that flags activity, it takes no effort at all for the bank to implement a check, pause or delay.
If I sell something to a business client and they pay immediately by BSB it takes about 3 or 4 days for that money to appear in my account, yet if a crook gets my cash the bank claim it's gone immediately!
Who are the real crooks?
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 08:11 AM)LP link Wrote:It's a software algorithm that flags activity, it takes no effort at all for the bank to implement a check, pause or delay.Yep your money is being bought and sold on the money markets before they pay it to you.....if the banks were ever called upon to cover all their debts at once they couldnt do it.
If I sell something to a business client and they pay immediately by BSB it takes about 3 or 4 days for that money to appear in my account, yet if a crook gets my cash the bank claim it's gone immediately!
Who are the real crooks?
The 250k Government guarantee is rubbish, if the banking sector in Aus collapsed they couldnt pay everyone out...its like car companies and their 7-10 year warranties just a con to lock you into compulsory heavy servicing fees. Banks and Car companies...corporate thieves.
Re: Weiters scammed - northernblue - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 08:11 AM)LP link Wrote:It's a software algorithm that flags activity, it takes no effort at all for the bank to implement a check, pause or delay.
If I sell something to a business client and they pay immediately by BSB it takes about 3 or 4 days for that money to appear in my account, yet if a crook gets my cash the bank claim it's gone immediately!
Who are the real crooks?
While not quite technically correct I agree.
Most of us get immediate transfers though… which the scammers just lurve!
Re: Weiters scammed - DJC - 04-29-2023
I recently got a text message from the ATO warning that unless I did X, Y and Z, my ABN would be cancelled. I checked the ATO website and found that text messaging was one of the ways the ATO communicates with taxpayers. I was still dubious and not too fussed about my ABN so I did nothing. My ABN has now been cancelled.
A week or so later I got a text from CentreLink advising that I was about to get a call from a number with no caller ID and I should answer the call. I was on another call and didn't answer. Two weeks later I got a letter from CentreLink saying that I didn't answer their phone call and had to fill in a questionnaire.
Ms DJC got a text message last week that said, "Hi Mum, I dropped my phone in the toilet and I'm trying to dry it out. Call me on my old number #$#%^&**+" Both of our children still have their original mobile numbers. A little later Ms DJC got another text saying, "I've got some bills to pay ..." Thousands of Australians have been caught out by that scam,
The scammers are often incompetent and easy to detect. Others are more sophisticated and can suck in the most cautious and IT savvy folk. It's easy to sit back and say that Jacob should have known that it was a scam, but that's not how it works when you're under pressure and think that you're going to lose your money. Banks, internet providers and the phone companies need to do a lot more to make life difficult for the scumbags that stole Jacob's money.
Re: Weiters scammed - Thryleon - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 12:51 PM)DJC link Wrote:I recently got a text message from the ATO warning that unless I did X, Y and Z, my ABN would be cancelled. I checked the ATO website and found that text messaging was one of the ways the ATO communicates with taxpayers. I was still dubious and not too fussed about my ABN so I did nothing. My ABN has now been cancelled.Sorry DJC. that's not really good enough.
A week or so later I got a text from CentreLink advising that I was about to get a call from a number with no caller ID and I should answer the call. I was on another call and didn't answer. Two weeks later I got a letter from CentreLink saying that I didn't answer their phone call and had to fill in a questionnaire.
Ms DJC got a text message last week that said, "Hi Mum, I dropped my phone in the toilet and I'm trying to dry it out. Call me on my old number #$#%^&**+" Both of our children still have their original mobile numbers. A little later Ms DJC got another text saying, "I've got some bills to pay ..." Thousands of Australians have been caught out by that scam,
The scammers are often incompetent and easy to detect. Others are more sophisticated and can suck in the most cautious and IT savvy folk. It's easy to sit back and say that Jacob should have known that it was a scam, but that's not how it works when you're under pressure and think that you're going to lose your money. Banks, internet providers and the phone companies need to do a lot more to make life difficult for the scumbags that stole Jacob's money.
Yes these institutions need to protect people, but we all have a personal responsibility to fa t check we aren't being hoodwinked, and that is easily done simply by reaching out and talking to people.
The bank calls? No worries take down the details of who called you and then state I will not divulge anything to you and then contact the bank on their publicly listed contact number not what is provided to you by the scammer.
The ato messages? You call the ATO. verify they want to talk to you.
Same goes for anything. Unsolicited contact must be verified.
I feel for Jacob and anyone scammed but this whole its easily explained situation because I dont have time or under pressure is precisely the feeling the scammers aim to generate and then use to their advantage.
People having moments of weakness need to recognise those moments and play cautious not simply go along with it. Every situation is able to be fact checked. Externalising the blame is the easy way out. Why wasn't I protected?
Because you didn't protect yourself is the answer.
Sony got hacked. They lost everyone's details. They came clean told us all to change our passwords. I failed to do so and eventually my playstation account was hacked. It was linked to PayPal and they were able to purchase some games impersonating me. My fault, I didn't change my password but Sony's fault for getting hacked to begin with. Sony wore the responsibility for getting hacked. Luckily they were good about it and refunded my money but if they weren't that was still my fault for not taking ownership of my credentials and changing my password.
If you leave your house without locking up and someone helps themselves to your property, that's not just people's fault for being thieves or cops fault for not protecting you, that's your fault for not locking up too.
Re: Weiters scammed - northernblue - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 01:09 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Sorry DJC. that's not really good enough.
Yes these institutions need to protect people, but we all have a personal responsibility to fa t check we aren't being hoodwinked, and that is easily done simply by reaching out and talking to people.
The bank calls? No worries take down the details of who called you and then state I will not divulge anything to you and then contact the bank on their publicly listed contact number not what is provided to you by the scammer.
The ato messages? You call the ATO. verify they want to talk to you.
Same goes for anything. Unsolicited contact must be verified.
I feel for Jacob and anyone scammed but this whole its easily explained situation because I dont have time or under pressure is precisely the feeling the scammers aim to generate and then use to their advantage.
People having moments of weakness need to recognise those moments and play cautious not simply go along with it. Every situation is able to be fact checked. Externalising the blame is the easy way out. Why wasn't I protected?
Because you didn't protect yourself is the answer.
Sony got hacked. They lost everyone's details. They came clean told us all to change our passwords. I failed to do so and eventually my playstation account was hacked. It was linked to PayPal and they were able to purchase some games impersonating me. My fault, I didn't change my password but Sony's fault for getting hacked to begin with. Sony wore the responsibility for getting hacked. Luckily they were good about it and refunded my money but if they weren't that was still my fault for not taking ownership of my credentials and changing my password.
If you leave your house without locking up and someone helps themselves to your property, that's not just people's fault for being thieves or cops fault for not protecting you, that's your fault for not locking up too.
??
When was the last time you called and spoke to someone at the ATO ?
It’s almost impossible to speak to a person nowadays, let alone call and ask to speak to “Tom, Dick or Harry”
You’re living in a dream world.
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-29-2023
(04-29-2023, 01:36 PM)northernblue link Wrote:??Try ringing Telstra NB.....you would be lucky if it was a Tom, Dick, or Harry, and they were in Australia and you could understand them.
When was the last time you called and spoke to someone at the ATO ?
It’s almost impossible to speak to a person nowadays, let alone call and ask to speak to “Tom, Dick or Harry”
You’re living in a dream world.
Re: Weiters scammed - northernblue - 04-29-2023
Iinet has departed hosting email for private domains.
They gave me 6-8 weeks notice of an end date for email and I had to migrate elsewhere, after 2.5 hrs on hold I just gave up on asking for tech support…
Eventually got it elsewhere and working.