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Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - RiverRat - 04-13-2023
Not that it made a bit of difference but the free kick against us in the first quarter - for running the ball out of bounds at half back - was an absolute stinker because he was pushed out (partly in the back) when off balance trying (unsuccessfully) to kick the ball while running at top speed.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Mantis - 04-13-2023
After that effort the game against the Saints is going to see more pain as an end result.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-13-2023
(04-13-2023, 02:37 PM)RiverRat link Wrote:I thought Newman was good against Rankine, who plays for free kicks more than anyone I can recently recall.Whilst you're on that topic, we have quite a few blokes who play for free kicks every they go near the ball. Im not going to name names about anything related to performance last night as in my opinion, NOT ONE bloke can go home with his head high after that abomination of a night for our once proud football club.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-13-2023
If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at all!
I had a heap of things to say but for 20+years nothing has changed despite all of our insightful knowledge and advice.
I went to the game, pity the Carlton Football Club didn't. >
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Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - PaulP - 04-13-2023
The boys looked knackered from the first bounce, and were comprehensively out hunted, particularly in the first. I was pleased to see some kind of response for 2 and a bit quarters, and then they dropped their bundle for the last 10 minutes.
This was always going to be a challenge, and losing Pittonet, Docherty and McGovern just made it that much harder. Trying to cover for those blokes just had a domino effect - Silvagni to the ruck meant that entries to the F50 were all directed to Curnow and McKay, something which was easy to manage by the Crows, Kennedy spent large chunks of time in defence, meaning we were one down in the midfield etc. Ugh. What a mess.
The Crows could do no wrong last night. Even their clash jumper looked good.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-13-2023
Ive read comments about last night being like the last three weeks etc, it was absolutely nothing like the last 3 weeks. We have been able to find a way, correct the structural issues and win the important areas we were losing in previous.
Last night we did nothing to address the important areas. Dont look at tackles or I50s numbers, look at the effectiveness of those areas. We butchered every single aspect of the game, basic skills like kicking and handballs, structure, tactics, defence, forward play, ground ball gets, ruckwork, marking. Our tackling is deplorable last night, we went too low (probably because they are trained to do it to not give away free kicks) which resulted in the man being left with his whole upper body free. They had time to look around, pick out the best option and away they went.
And when they did give it off, it was to a man in space. That is the single most important thing we need to work on, pronto. Forget about pure leg speed, we simply dont have it. Get it into space (as opposed to congestion) and watch how quick you look with time on our side. That requires smart positioning (structures, shape) and work rate. We did neither last night for 4 quarters.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-13-2023
(04-13-2023, 12:41 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Vossy's presser will be interesting. I'm sure it will be measured but inside he will be seething, upset with himself, his assistants, his players, just an awful performance.Thats his first presser I was a little disappointed with, I suppose it mirrored our night. To suggest he was pleased with aspects seemed forced and contrived. He didn't need to smash his blokes publicly but to suggest there were areas he was pleased with was a stretch.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - blueday - 04-13-2023
Let's talk about injuries. Each and every year we play at a disadvantage, 10-15 blokes unavailable seems the norm. Decisions need to be made, a player who is a gun but isn't available is useless. Our fitness guru has seen no improvement in speed or injury rates. Fitness and injury management need a clean out. Players like Williams, Marchbank, Cunningham etc we need to play or move on. We can't be successful playing with a smaller list than the competition.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Adelaideblue - 04-13-2023
(04-13-2023, 12:47 PM)LoveNavy link Wrote:---------Will be fascinated to see what the coaches do with this. There are so many lessons, I can't imagine where they'll start. Lesson 1...... 118 ?[quote author=LoveNavy link=msg=386429 date=1681390020]
Well L.N - while watching the game last night from top level Adelaide Oval I thought the Lesson 1 should be "Pick up your man" (And then beat him to the ball!)
Ab
Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide - Lods - 04-13-2023
The level of disappointment in a performance is often reflective of the expectations going into the game.
I expected it to be a tough task, so I’m probably a little less disappointed than some. Even so, that was horrendous.
The problem is that because we’re the first game of the round we’ll be under the microscope for longer. What we need is for a team like St Kilda to crash and take the focus off.
As it is…There are total meltdowns across Carlton social media forums and facebook pages. The folks are angry. Comments have been turned off. The ‘kumbaya’ crowd are out denouncing those who are not ‘real’ supporters because they’re being a bit (rightly so) critical. It’d be funny if it wasn’t so tragic.
In the cold light of day that was a real wake-up call.
An aberration?
We’ll see!
The post-mortems will last a few days (we tend to discuss the losses in a bit more depth than the wins).
So a couple of points…
Could it be that the much-maligned Mitch McGovern is actually an essential component of success for this side.
He was missing as North piled on goals at the end of that game and missing again as Adelaide put the cleaners through us last night. It’s hard to know how much advance warning we had for that ‘out’ but a defence that was rock solid a few weeks ago looks very shaky. Sure, their midfield superiority puts the defence under pressure, but McGovern is an important part of the structure and when he’s missing it throws an extra burden on our other tall defenders. With Docherty also out, it made a huge difference to our ability to resist, and Adelaide took full advantage. The problem is that McGovern is a bit brittle, and an extended period without injury is probably wishful thinking.
I get the argument Kruddler is making about Silvagni and the ruck situation. It’s a bit of a blancing issue…a robbing Peter to pay Paul. The issue is that rucking will take its toll and while we gain in some areas we perhaps lose a degree of effectiveness with Jack in other roles. (He was playing in defence and saved a goal at one stage last night). Rucking also wears him down as his finish to 2022 showed. It’s not sustainable. Pittonet is struggling to stay on the field. TDK is a mile off reaching the potential we suspect he might have, and any long-term contract on big money would be a huge mistake. Sign him on a two-year deal, or let another club make that mistake.
So, the rucking situation is a worry.
Just to shoot a few Bambis.
-Cripps has been going OK but just seems to have lost a bit of the explosiveness he had last year. Doesn’t seem as quick, and that may correspond to a niggly injury of some sort.
-We know how awesome Charlie can be, but he’ll never quite be the best version of himself with some of his second efforts. Often if he loses that initial contest his backup is not that intense.
-Harry is a bit of a panic merchant and makes some dumb decisions (and executes poorly) in rushed situations.
-Saad is brilliant, the least of our worries, but his tackles don’t always stick, and players have got through him a couple of times in recent weeks.
Apart from that…the small forwards are ‘almost’ players, flashing in and out of then game. Motlop could be very dangerous if he just tidies it up a bit. That will come with game time.
The mids just need to find some consistency and that’s difficult with the injury situation. The group need a few games together. I suspect Hewett’s hand injury was much worse than first reported and he may still be struggling a bit with that. Walsh will be better with games under his belt.
But the reality is that most of the above-mentioned players are our strength. There are a few players on the fringe who just aren’t good enough and when given the opportunity don’t measure up. If the team is going well we can probably carry and disguise those players. When things are going poorly, like last night, those deficiencies stand out.
So, in summary.
Forget that performance,
Get out of Adelaide if you’ve gone there for the game.
Don’t watch the footy shows this week…
and reset.