+- Carlton Supporters Club (http://new.carltonsc.com)
+-- Forum: Social Club (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-6.html)
+--- Forum: Blah-Blah Bar (http://new.carltonsc.com/forum-23.html)
+--- Thread: Elections (/thread-5882.html)
Re: State Elections - Gointocarlton - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 04:25 AM)PaulP link Wrote:It's a miracle that country achieves what it does, given the complete dysfunctionality of the political system.The rich industrialists and general business people do well, they just pay off officials and partake in the corruption. The average Joe Blow and the poor struggle to put food and drinking water on the table. Its a disgrace.
Re: State Elections - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-27-2022
Andrews win is more reflective of the total lack of trust and competence of the Liberal Party who remain locked in the past hoping the same formula will win them office. Given Andrews presided over the lockdowns during CoVid, has been accused of corruption, has created and manages the biggest debt out of all the States and has totally messed up the Ambulance and Hospital systems you couldnt get better conditions for the Libs to knock out a win but they failed miserably and lost ground themselves.
You need a good opposition to make the Government work harder and do better but here in Victoria we dont have that and the election went exactly the way I thought it would with the Greens and the Teals being handy preferential voting partners for Labor and the Independents being more popular as well.
I wouldnt vote for either of the major parties and I cant see that changing next election.....both hopeless but one more hopeless than the other...
Re: State Elections - Lods - 11-27-2022
'Left or right' is really a pointless argument.
They're the rusted on folks.
These things are always decided by around a 20% of folks in the middle.
Latest figures I saw with about 60% of the vote counted were a little over a million for the ALP and a little under a million for the LNP
It was decided in the middle.
These middle people are influenced by probably two key factors.
One is who they perceive, at the time, is best placed to look after their interests e.g. 'Howards battlers'. ( whether they end up delivering is irrelevant. They just have to 'promise' and that promise needs to be accepted).
The other factor factor is the leadership.
The person in the top job.
It is important, and again often comes down to perception rather than substance.
I'm one of the middle folk.
Interstate we saw a fair bit of the pre-election build-up.
Andrews was on telly everyday during the pandemic.
From a distance, with no personal benefit to myself influencing my vote, or any gripe about having been locked down for an extended period influencing my vote (although Anna did have us locked in)... I would have voted for Andrews.
Re: State Elections - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 05:32 AM)Lods link Wrote:'Left or right' is really a pointless argument.Reckon the middle has got larger with more young people and women taking an interest than ever before. Kids are not voting the same as Mum and Dad like they used to back in our day and families are not as rusted on as a group as they were.
They're the rusted on folks.
These things are always decided by around a 20% of folks in the middle.
Latest figures I saw with about 60% of the vote counted were a little over a million for the ALP and a little under a million for the LNP
It was decided in the middle.
These middle people are influenced by probably two key factors.
One is who they perceive, at the time, is best placed to look after their interests e.g. 'Howards battlers'. ( whether they end up delivering is irrelevant. They just have to 'promise' and that promise needs to be accepted).
The other factor factor is the leadership.
The person in the top job.
It is important, and again often comes down to perception rather than substance.
I'm one of the middle folk.
Interstate we saw a fair bit of the pre-election build-up.
Andrews was on telly everyday during the pandemic.
From a distance, with no personal benefit to myself influencing my vote, or any gripe about having been locked down for an extended period influencing my vote (although Anna did have us locked in)... I would have voted for Andrews.
Re: State Elections - PaulP - 11-27-2022
https://theconversation.com/how-dan-andrews-pulled-off-one-of-the-most-remarkable-victories-in-modern-politics-194710
Fair assessment. Paints a realistic picture IMO.
Re: State Elections - Thryleon - 11-27-2022
I voted liberal for the first time in my life.
We experienced a taste of far left authoritarian government during the pandemic.
No one on here knows what a far right junta government truly looks like and discuss moderates in the same breathe as Adolf Hitler.
Not the same thing at all.
For me this isn't a team sport, whether my vote won or not is irrelevant to me) but the guy in power has what, 5 IBAC investigations against his leadership? Oh, and in case you want to see the leopard's real spots, let's all remember Jenny mikakos, and how a politician who is female and from a ethnic background was sacrificed to save face.
Not sure how the health minister is responsible for the hotel quarantine crap, but thats a discussion that is very hard to get concrete answers on.
Re: State Elections - Baggers - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 07:24 AM)PaulP link Wrote:https://theconversation.com/how-dan-andrews-pulled-off-one-of-the-most-remarkable-victories-in-modern-politics-194710
Fair assessment. Paints a realistic picture IMO.
Thank you, Pauly. The Conversation has successfully nailed every salient point for both major parties, with astute journalistic objectivity and dexterity.
Re: State Elections - Baggers - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 08:20 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I voted liberal for the first time in my life.
We experienced a taste of far left authoritarian government during the pandemic.
No one on here knows what a far right junta government truly looks like and discuss moderates in the same breathe as Adolf Hitler.
Not the same thing at all.
For me this isn't a team sport, whether my vote won or not is irrelevant to me) but the guy in power has what, 5 IBAC investigations against his leadership? Oh, and in case you want to see the leopard's real spots, let's all remember Jenny mikakos, and how a politician who is female and from a ethnic background was sacrificed to save face.
Not sure how the health minister is responsible for the hotel quarantine crap, but thats a discussion that is very hard to get concrete answers on.
All valid points. Andrews was ripe for the picking, but the LNP was more on the nose than him... which the electorate voiced. We (Vic and Oz) need a viable major party alternative to keep all parties honest but the LNP let themselves down and the state by failing to adapt and adjust to the modern world... still mired in policy and electioneering strategies of a bygone era.
Re: State Elections - ElwoodBlues1 - 11-27-2022
(11-27-2022, 08:20 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I voted liberal for the first time in my life.Not disagreeing with any of that but the public couldnt find enough positives in Guy and the Liberals to make the change as the alternative. The Liberals will be fighting for survival looking past the next couple of elections the way things are going especially if the Nationals vote to end the Coalition.
We experienced a taste of far left authoritarian government during the pandemic.
No one on here knows what a far right junta government truly looks like and discuss moderates in the same breathe as Adolf Hitler.
Not the same thing at all.
For me this isn't a team sport, whether my vote won or not is irrelevant to me) but the guy in power has what, 5 IBAC investigations against his leadership? Oh, and in case you want to see the leopard's real spots, let's all remember Jenny mikakos, and how a politician who is female and from a ethnic background was sacrificed to save face.
Not sure how the health minister is responsible for the hotel quarantine crap, but thats a discussion that is very hard to get concrete answers on.
Federally its not much better and they need to dump Dutton and have more young blood as candidates, women in leadership roles and better policies on climate change, energy, and get a grip on the cost of living because thats what the public want.
Re: State Elections - Thryleon - 11-27-2022
Me neither, my vote was more against Dan than for guy, but there was more than that thats occurred during the last 4 years to convert me from a labor voter to liberal.
As a society and nation we need to get pulled to the right because by brother in laws kids are being taught the gender crap that doesn't matter at school but will come out of primary school politicised. Apparently they're having a whing about the lack of female protagonists in video games. They're not even past grade 3 where the focus for us was largely about maths, and getting your pen license.