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Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - madbluboy - 09-05-2022
Ajla won again.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - Mav - 09-05-2022
Yep. Into the quarters. It’s amazing her career highlight comes when she’s 29. Great effort to keep up her momentum after the physical and emotional stress of playing Serena in front of her home crowd.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - LP - 09-05-2022
Ajla was quite a consistent performer when she was younger but I'm not sure she ever got past the quarters, although you could see she was more than capable of it.
She was one of the very few back then that backed up the high fashion looks with some serious on court performance, but perhaps at that time she lost her way a little as many others have. It must be so easy for them to lose focus, the world is laid at their feet, and sometimes it creates a monster.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - Mav - 09-06-2022
Wow, Nadal is out, losing to Tiafoe in 4. Got to be good news for Kyrgios, although Nadal 2.0 (Alcaraz) is still in the other half of the draw.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - DJC - 09-06-2022
(09-03-2022, 10:30 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Can't believe they call Serena the GOAT. Margaret court has her covered. This woke bullcrap can't erase peoples names on trophies.
I'm not sure that I understand "woke" but what has it got to do with Serena's GOAT status? Court may have won one more grand slam but that was in a different era; the best tennis players couldn't compete in grand slam tournaments for around half of Court's career.
I reckon Martina Navratilova is the GOAT with Williams and Court tied in second place.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - madbluboy - 09-06-2022
Steffi Graf for mine.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - Thryleon - 09-06-2022
(09-06-2022, 01:44 PM)DJC link Wrote:I'm not sure that I understand "woke" but what has it got to do with Serena's GOAT status? Court may have won one more grand slam but that was in a different era; the best tennis players couldn't compete in grand slam tournaments for around half of Court's career.comparing eras is tricky business and the score on the board is important. Vs her peers at the time court both travelled the world and dominated them all.
I reckon Martina Navratilova is the GOAT with Williams and Court tied in second place.
Its folly to suggest that the Aussie opens were weaker ergo she isn't the GOAT.
One example is she has played for 7 years longer than court did as an example.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - LP - 09-06-2022
(09-06-2022, 09:55 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:comparing eras is tricky business and the score on the board is important.Agreed, for example the rackets now are twice the size and lighter, more powerful, the tennis balls are all standardized, footwear again better and lighter, clothing massively improved, even the surfaces are massively improved for all types including grass which is now genetically modified and laser levelled for a carpet like surface.
For the bulk of Court's career, if a player blew up at a chair umpire like the modern players do it wasn't just the loss of point, they would have lost a set or match, be banned from the next few tournaments, losing their income.
Perhaps the biggest issue, players now earn a comfortable living from just being on the tour, they don't have to win everything to survive, in fact if they qualify they barely have to win a game and they'll still be financially compensated!
I'm with you on the wokism, to me it is self evident in the public commentary, and those attitudes do have an impact, influencing opinion and changing careers. Now a sponsor might decide on an offer based on a players "image being a fit" with actual ability only a minor consideration. Many many minutes of pretty much everything and anything but tennis gets discussed, fashion, appearance, language, conduct, relationships, family, etc., etc.. Ironically, the same people that bang on like that tell us they are better educated than those of the past, not as judgemental and more tolerant! :o
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - PaulP - 09-06-2022
I'm still wondering why a vote for Serena and not Court must be based on wokism.
Re: Ajla Tomljanović vs America - Thryleon - 09-06-2022
(09-06-2022, 11:01 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm still wondering why a vote for Serena and not Court must be based on wokism.
More of a vote against Court. Her social views are not compatible with her being the GOAT, ergo, its very sign of the times to erase anything that doesn't fit.
My argument is that had she not had these views, no one would be interested in erasing her sporting achievements. There have even been calls to take her name off the staidum at Melbourne Park. Is it fair? Thats a different discussion not linked to her sporting achievement.