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Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - kruddler - 08-07-2022
Speaking of sprinting.....did anyone see Setterfield sprint.....at least in the 2nd half.
I can't remember him getting out of a jog the whole time. Whether it was to guard space/an oppenent, attack the ball, chase a player with the ball.
Closest i saw was to run backwards to get a cheap kick from the backline....which he almost stuffed up the kick.
I get the laconic style, Hoops Houlihan was similar, but when you need to go, you go....he just doesn't go.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - Lods - 08-07-2022
Watching on the telly I like to imagine getting inside the players heads and willing them to the contest.
It's a way to judge whether you think they're going hard enough (not necessarily an ability I'd possess myself, in real life ;D .)
When I've willed some of them to the contest the last couple of weeks....they just haven't gone with me.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - northernblue - 08-07-2022
I didn’t find a tv until the last Q but a “chase” by Dow on the wing early on was simply disgraceful.
I didn’t see him again after that, if he was actually benched after that it would also explain a couple of those late Brizvegas goals, fatigue…
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - bobby - 08-07-2022
Agree on Martin. +Williams and McGovern. All need to go. Each earning 750K I think.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-07-2022
Well that was painful... watching the game again.
It was as if their heads and hearts weren't in the game from the get-go. Seemed self-limiting, almost afraid of risk. A few blokes on the backline were the exception, along with Charlie up forward from scant opportunities.
Obviously the issues of the week previous were not thoroughly acknowledged/understood and/or successfully addressed.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 01:47 PM)hitman link Wrote:Kept notes today on who turned ball over or fumbled and my pen nearly ran out.. Qtr 1 - Fisher, Owies, Cottrell, Setterfield, Newnes all missed goals or kicks - some resulting in goals. 2nd Q Dow, Owies set shot, Setterfield, Mackay from 50 passes to TDK who wasn't ready and punched - why wouldn't he kick the goal. 3rd Cripps set shot and pass to Walsh missed coast to coast Bris goal, Dow missed goal, Cerra, Silvagni dropped chest mark coast to coast. Game cooked
Point of all this for me - far too many c graders. Far too many who cant or wont improve foot skills. Cripps - love him but 50 50 by foot and has never improved in this area. Had to kick that goal to start 3rd and had to hit Walsh. They had finishers. For me foot skills was the key thing. We have for years been a confidence based team. Good kicking breeds confidence. Fisher kicks that goal first 20 sec confidence builds....didn't have another shot for ages after that.
Been mentioned but TDK in last 3 and a half minutes got monstered. Destroyed in the ruck and we couldn't touch it. And my goodness mr fitness role really needs to be assessed - for me time for a change there. Has not got results for me and we cut coaches so what's difference. If Martin is played again that's it I'll spew up. Cant survive a game. Why play him. Miss 8 will have ramifications given where we were...huge fail if happens
So much above the shoulders. Players just don't lose their skills, but they can lose confidence.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - Baggers - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 09:01 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Fair points but we couldnt miss a target or goal before the mid season break. Apart from the obvious injury tol, what's happened? Fatigue of a long season playing above ourselves maybe?
Re Martin 100% agree.
And this is the point, GTC. Spot on, Cocko.
How come such a change in attitude, approach, confidence since the bye? Tired? Unsure? Confused?
Can't blame injuries as we had plenty of those early in the year yet achieved 8-2.
As the year has progressed we've gotten progressively worse... in total contradiction to what we were told early in the year. Weight of expectation? Fear of success? Too many non-hackers (blokes who won't put their bodies in, back themselves/team mates)?
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - Lods - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 11:08 PM)Baggers link Wrote:And this is the point, GTC. Spot on, Cocko.
How come such a change in attitude, approach, confidence since the bye? Tired? Unsure? Confused?
Can't blame injuries as we had plenty of those early in the year yet achieved 8-2.
As the year has progressed we've gotten progressively worse... in total contradiction to what we were told early in the year. Weight of expectation? Fear of success? Too many non-hackers (blokes who won't put their bodies in, back themselves/team mates)?
The thing with the injuries is that they have a cumulative effect.
Players are asked to lift to cover them, and they can do it for a while, but as the season drags on that becomes harder and takes it's toll.
We have a few players who desperatley need 'managing' (either on or off field) but as we accumulate more injuries we don't have that luxury.
We also assume that as injured players return they'll slot striaght back in as good as they were when they left.
The majority just don't.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - PaulP - 08-07-2022
(08-07-2022, 11:14 PM)Lods link Wrote:The thing with the injuries is that they have a cumulative effect.
Players are asked to lift to cover them, and they can do it for a while, but as the season drags on that becomes harder and takes it's toll.
We have a few players who desperatley need 'managing' (either on or off field) but as we accumulate more injuries we don't have that luxury.
We also assume that as injured players return they'll slot striaght back in as good as they were when they left.
The majority just don't.
Fair post Lods. I'm also wondering if this is a year of learning, not just for the players, but for Voss as well. If you listen to his pressers regularly, his focus on contest is beyond any coach I've ever heard. The whole "contest" thing is ubiquitous among coaches, almost to the point that it justifies its own meme. But with Voss it seems at a whole other level. I'm just speculating, but I wonder if he has no Plan B (another footy cliche) and that his belief that you will struggle if you don't win the contest (or break even) seems to be rubbing off on the players ? Our transition game from D50 is not great, and it's been noted so often that it will lose the contest we look pretty ordinary. Just some random musings on my part.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Brisbane - madbluboy - 08-07-2022
David King highlighted the Blues are 10-1 this year when they’ve won the clearance count by at least +5 but 3-6 when that count has been +4 or less.