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Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 06:05 AM)DJC date Wrote:Where does this "Kemp as a midfielder" come from LP?He'd spent his junior days as an intercept defender, but in the u18s carnival just prior to the draft he rose rapidly up the draft ratings as a result of being moved into the midfield to be a match winner, he also made a name for himself in the same carnival up forward for the first time in his career, drawing parallels between himself and Kouta, but of course he injured himself before being drafted.
I believe if we are lucky to find it our club even used photographs of Kemp with Kouta as part of the marketing spiel just after Kemp was drafted.
All the draft gossip was the kid was the next oversized midfielder in the making.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-19-2022
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Brodie Kemp
Height: 192cm
Weight: 82kg
D.O.B: 01-05-2001
DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Bendigo's leading prospect, Kemp can play multiple roles and proved a game winner this year."
Leagues: Under 18s Championships, NAB League Boys
CLUBS looking for a player who can do just about anything need look no further than Brodie Kemp. The Bendigo Pioneers utility has long been touted as a player to watch come his draft year and he delivered in spades throughout 2019, particularly during the National Championships. The Geelong Grammarian spent most of his year plying his trade in school football, but unfortunately had his season cut short by an ACL tear in the same competition just before he was scheduled for a NAB League return. Still, his three-year elite pathway resume is as good as any draft prospect in this year's crop and Kemp's upside will make him even more desirable heading into November. His presence helped Bendigo to their first two wins of the year in the opening rounds, and his season-best 27-disposal game against South Australia was crowned by kicking the winning goal – a feat he very nearly repeated in the very next round. We knew he could make a difference, but Kemp’s true game-turning abilities really came to the fore this year and propelled him into top 10 draft contention post-championships. Injury means recency bias will work against him, as will a lack of recent combine results, but Kemp’s work throughout the year alone makes him a player worthy of such honours. Expect clubs higher up the ladder with the time to be able to wait on or develop high-end picks to roll the dice on the well-built mover if the draft order shuffles.
STRENGTHS:
Versatility
Clean hands
Overhead marking
Hurt factor
Athleticism
IMPROVEMENTS:
Endurance
Kicking at speed
The word on Kemp coming into the season was that he was destined for more midfield minutes after finding a home as a high-marking intercept defender in 2018, but he would end up having an impact just about everywhere. He adapted his kick-dominant game to become a handball-happy midfield extractor, was solid in his usual defensive post for Vic Country, and eventually a game winner for them up forward. Kemp’s success up forward lends to his key strengths of impact and overhead marking. He showed his worth with a huge contested mark in the dying seconds against South Australia to snare the winning goal, while doing the same twice in the last quarter against Western Australia to almost drag his side over the line. All were really game defining moments, and while Kemp does not win crazy amounts of the ball, he has important touches. Add to that a sub-three second 20m sprint and phenomenal agility and you have a prospect that can pull off just about anything. A good size to boot, Kemp would be a top 10 lock if not for his recent injury.
As close as Kemp is to being a complete player and as much as he can do it all on a football field, there remains room for improvement at this stage. Kemp’s disposal average of an even 20 across the NAB League and national carnival is quite impressive given the deep position he often took up either end of the ground, but if he is to play more permanently in the midfield, he can work on having bucket-loads of possessions more often. Perhaps the more pressing question is his kicking on the move, with Kemp’s delivery wavering at times. It seems a matter of consistency as his delivery out of the back half usually assured, but not quite perfect as it stands. When he has time and space he can deliver, but it is ironing out that kick at speed to take the next step. Another area Kemp was keen to improve on at the start of the season was his endurance after an okay 21.4 yo-yo test at the NAB League Fitness Testing Day, which he had made inroads towards improving. But after his knee injury he will need to build that back up and get match fitness in for him to have a real impact in his second season of AFL football. Overall a really talented prospect who has massive upside once he recovers and gets some runs into the legs.
DRAFT RANGE: 5-20
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - Baggers - 06-19-2022
I recall the Kemp midfielder conversation pre draft. Pretty sure it was Shifter who touted him as having the goods as a mid but that he'd have to build his endurance. Ditto, Stocker. As an aside, it was terrific to see Kempy turn his impact around v the Dishlickers on Friday night after half time. Injected his customary boldness into his game... loved it.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - DJC - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 10:29 PM)Baggers link Wrote:I recall the Kemp midfielder conversation pre draft. Pretty sure it was Shifter who touted him as having the goods as a mid but that he'd have to build his endurance. Ditto, Stocker. As an aside, it was terrific to see Kempy turn his impact around v the Dishlickers on Friday night after half time. Injected his customary boldness into his game... loved it.
Yes, folk talked about Kemp as a midfielder but he played as an intercept defender who occasionally went forward and kicked goals.
He showed great promise as a defender in the couple of games he played last season with his marking strength and his ability to run off his opponent. The lack of talls has meant that he has been played out of position as a key forward and key defender in the VFL this season. Hopefully, that will help his development but it’s not doing him any favours in terms of stringing together good performances and demanding a spot in the firsts.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-19-2022
(06-19-2022, 11:16 PM)DJC date Wrote:Yes, folk talked about Kemp as a midfielder but he played as an intercept defender who occasionally went forward and kicked goals.You are talking mostly about his pre-Development junior career, if I applied the same logic to Weitering he should be playing as a CHF, I think he still holds some sort of junior Mt Martha goal kicking record! He was so good as a junior CHF in about u15s/u16s he kicked a dozen of more goals for his team in just a half of football, then swapped sides to play for the opposition and kicked another bag of goals for the opposition after half-time, but we play him at fullback!
The bulk of Kemps pre-draft season, the season that caught everyone's attention, he was played as a utility, he was all over the ground with the majority being on the ball or up forward. Prior to that he was a vanilla intercept defender who was going to be taken late in the draft. When he displayed his wares as a midfielder / forward he became a 1st round draft pick!
I don't see the point of denying this history, everyone can argue whether it is right or wrong as an assessment, but it's a bit ridiculous to somehow assert that it never happened.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - DJC - 06-20-2022
(06-19-2022, 11:37 PM)LP link Wrote:You are talking mostly about his pre-Development junior career, if I applied the same logic to Weitering he should be playing as a CHF, I think he still holds some sort of junior Mt Martha goal kicking record! He was so good as a junior CHF in about u15s/u16s he kicked a dozen of more goals for his team in just a half of football, then swapped sides to play for the opposition and kicked another bag of goals for the opposition after half-time, but we play him at fullback!
The bulk of Kemps pre-draft season, the season that caught everyone's attention, he was played as a utility, he was all over the ground with the majority being on the ball or up forward. Prior to that he was a vanilla intercept defender who was going to be taken late in the draft. When he displayed his wares as a midfielder / forward he became a 1st round draft pick!
I don't see the point of denying this history, everyone can argue whether it is right or wrong as an assessment, but it's a bit ridiculous to somehow assert that it never happened.
No LP, I am talking about his immediate pre-draft footy. The narrative is that Kemp was supposed to be tried in the midfield but his ACL meant that it never happened.
More importantly, he hasn’t shown any midfielder attributes in his time with us.
Of course, Kemp could have a turn in the midfield, much like Jack used to before he became a ruckman, but it would be occasional and probably to create a mismatch or nullify an opposition mid.
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-20-2022
(06-20-2022, 12:25 AM)DJC date Wrote:No LP, I am talking about his immediate pre-draft footy. The narrative is that Kemp was supposed to be tried in the midfield but his ACL meant that it never happened.Firstly, you might well be the only person who sees that history like that, I've no idea why you are hell bent on dismissing what actually happened and rewriting history.
More importantly, he hasn’t shown any midfielder attributes in his time with us.
Secondly, we've not played him there because he arrived injured and from the moment he started rehab we slated him to play behind the footy. We even held discussions on this forum about it, that running in straight lines might be a better option for a kid recovering from a knee, a better option to twisting and turning in the midfield.
Probably the real truth is that it was more due to BB's defensive mindset and our immediate need rather than what might be best for the player, there were even a lot of people still slagging off Weiters as a viable KPD at the time Kemp was began training!
But then again, some people are just stubborn, like those still asserting Ben Silvagni has somehow been maligned as a KPD player!
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - madbluboy - 06-20-2022
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?topic=4821.0
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - LP - 06-20-2022
A post draft excerpt, accompanied by marketing showing Kemp with Walsh presenting him with the AFL U18 AA guernsey.
Quote:Brodie Kemp's versatility makes him an appealing player. At 193cm he has played as a key defender and a marking forward, but it's in the midfield that he feels his future lies.[img width=950]https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6006.0;attach=1278[/img]
"I think where I can reach the best potential of my footy is probably through the midfield, At the start of this year (2019) it was a big focus to challenge myself in that area and mould myself into what the game's allowing those bigger bodied midfielders [to do]", he said
"The midfield position will probably be the position where I can achieve the best footy I can play."
Re: VFL 2022 Rd 13 Carlton vs Footscray - crashlander - 06-20-2022
I quite like the idea of having Kemp in the midfield, assuming we get a bit of height back. He is mobile and attacks the ball quite well, and very few mids out there could compete with him in the air. He isn't slow either.
I wouldn't mind if we managed to find a young mid with real extreme pace to break out of the centre square: it is probably the only sort of mid we don't really have yet. Fisher is the closest. It just gives us that little bit extra, which I would love.
But we already have issues fitting all out top mids in the centre square. Now that Dow and Setterfield are finally showing something, they can't get a look-in.
I still like the idea of Kemp as a mid, but I don't think we can afford it at the moment.
Later in the year I would be quite amenable to giving him time in there at VFL level to see how he can produce.
To be honest, we don't have a bad bunch of taller players. Their problem as a group is that they can't stay on the field. It means that we'll probably look for a key defender at the draft, someone like Gibcus. Perhaps we can snaffle one on the cheap, but I would like another top defender down there.
Oscar Mac, alas, has had it. back injuries are very difficult to come back from, as he has demonstrated. I know that wasn't specifically why Melbourne flicked him, but he filled the bill for us perfectly. He just wasn't able to stay on the park.
He could well have become our Petty, the third tall defender at Melbourne who get most of the hard jobs. It would be nice if we can aim for someone like that, especially if there is a physical defender out there who is not getting the game time for one reason or another.
I am happy to see Michael Lewis and Tyreece Liu playing in the VFL at the moment. They mightn't be the players to fix the key posts, but I'd like to see them get a chance to show what they can do. Certainly Liu played his best game at the weekend, after Akuei went off with concussion.