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Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - kruddler - 04-17-2022
(04-17-2022, 10:42 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:He seems to be better this season as a link in the handball chains and for his defensive coverage. My biggest problem with him is that he often kicks across the body and puts too much air under the ball whenever corralled or under pressure - too slow getting his foot to the ball and might be better if he sticks to hand-passing.I think he is a slow thinker.
We see it with not understanding the pressure he is under and gets tackled whilst displaying little urgency. I think that does indeed extend to his kicking sometimes. He telegraphs what he is going to do and the opposition are awareness it before he is aware of them. This presents itself in poor kicks, kicks being smothered and simply bad options being taken.
I've been a bog wrap for him, but he doesn't seem to be making the strides forward we all hoped. He will be overtaken soon enough.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Thryleon - 04-17-2022
4 points is 4 points.
We bank them and move on. This one and the hawthorn match might cost us top 4 in percentage but its a bit early for that.
5 rounds in when was the last time we were in the 8 the whole way? 2011?
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-17-2022
(04-17-2022, 10:42 AM)RiverRat link Wrote:He seems to be better this season as a link in the handball chains and for his defensive coverage. My biggest problem with him is that he often kicks across the body and puts too much air under the ball whenever corralled or under pressure - too slow getting his foot to the ball and might be better if he sticks to hand-passing.
(04-17-2022, 10:52 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I think he is a slow thinker.Yep, couldn't agree more and wouldn't be in my team moving forward.
We see it with not understanding the pressure he is under and gets tackled whilst displaying little urgency. I think that does indeed extend to his kicking sometimes. He telegraphs what he is going to do and the opposition are awareness it before he is aware of them. This presents itself in poor kicks, kicks being smothered and simply bad options being taken.
I've been a bog wrap for him, but he doesn't seem to be making the strides forward we all hoped. He will be overtaken soon enough.
Just a liability today and I'd be moving him on at seasons end.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LoveNavy - 04-17-2022
I didn’t see the game as I was doing the family thing. I checked the scores regularly though. Like our boys I nearly choked in q3? when our lead evaporated. That definitely put me off my chocolate.
I’m not sure what to make of us atm. We’re definitely better than recent years. Our best is super. Our lapses are devastatingly costly.
Until we can balance our performance, it’s going to be a tense time for us all. Particularly when our defence is not as robust as we’d like. Meanwhile. Banking the points will at least keep the media off our back, and hopefully keep the belief alive. It feels a bit like a “fake it until you make it” start to me.
Great to hear from those at the game. Thanks for your views?
Go Blues
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Tragic - 04-17-2022
Fake it until you make it. Spot on!
I'll take that for now. I'll take 4 and 1 any time especially when we're only really playing 2 quarters a game.
Every game so far Charlie has dropped a few sitters and got his hands on a few pack marks but dropped them. Imagine what he's going to bed like when his confidence is up and going.
Still a lot of fluency yet to come across the board with players getting used to each other and new game plan. And some talent to come back in.
I don't expect to get the choccies against the frockers next week.
But i am looking forward to when everything clicks for real.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - JonDorotich - 04-17-2022
Too many average players in the side and if it was not for some great efforts by Young and Newman in the last qtr we may have been discussing a loss.
Rather than fitness our midfield and defensive six are not great at maintaining structure behind the ball, nor are they making good decisions under pressure/fatigue - part of this is physical as many have suggested, but I’d say the issue is mostly mental. Are our players intelligent enough to know where they need to stand/understand players next option and position as a defensive unit to cut it off? Do they keep their composure under pressure? Do they know when and how to play tempo footy? Do they know not to telegraph their next move so as to invite pressure on the player receiving the ball? Do they will themselves to stick a tackle when a side is surging??
Unfortunately, the reality is that the answer to many of the questions above (not all) for players such as Newnes, Cottrell, Parks, Boyd, LoB & Plowman is a resounding “no” so if we are to be successful this year it’s very clearly a specific role or the VFL for the majority of these guys.
Hamill also has a lot of work to do on the back six - our third tall in defence simply isn’t working in McGovern’s absence and we know that we can’t rely on Mitch’s body holding up. We also haven’t found a reliable, strong lockdown defender for opposition small forwards. Whilst there are not too many options on the list, I’d start seriously considering playing DeKoning at CHB, Weitering FB and Young (or potentially Kemp) 3rd tall until McGovern returns. Additionally, TDK gives us some structural flexibility if needed. For the lockdown defender, Fogarty/Cottrell may be worth testing in that role as I don’t think that Stocker is quick or agile enough to play the role.
We also desperately need some pace - Dow, Philp would both be handy additions and I don’t accept the assertion that Newnes/Cottrell are better on the wing than Dow.
Lots to think through because the current combination won’t get the job done against a decent side.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - 31Tommys_barber - 04-17-2022
(04-17-2022, 10:51 AM)crashlander link Wrote:I wouldn't put much hope on Marchbank. He has a lot going for him when he is fit, but he isn't a strong physical player, something we could do with. After so many injuries, I just can't see him fulfilling his potential.Would have said the same thing about Charlie Curnow at about this time last year! 5 goals today was handy
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - shawny - 04-17-2022
(04-17-2022, 09:49 AM)rocky link Wrote:The worst bit about a win like this is you can't really sit back and watch the replay, because after half-time we were just bit players in a Port fairy-tale finish. Really don't know where we are at. Beat Richmond, who have shown they are off the mark. Beat bulldogs, who have shown thy aren't really at their peak. Beat Dawks who have shown they are pretenders. Lost to GC because we saved our worst performance to date for them. Now we've beaten Port who are 5 and zip. Still not sure if we've improved or just been lucky.
Exactly how I’m feeling. I think we have improved we are deeper in the midfield and have solid forward targets but still we can’t be relied upon to put a side on the ropes away and the better teams do this.
Apart from round one win the other 3 have had big swings and could have easily gone the other way so while I’m pleased to get another win I’m not as optimistic as many and imo we will need to improve on what we have seen to make finals.
Todays performance would not get us the points against any of the other top 8 teams and many outside the 8.
Take the points and move to next week. Freo in Perth is a tough game and will tell us a lot imo.
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - tonyo - 04-17-2022
I have never seen a team that is so comprehensively brilliant, and then so totally unimaginative, all in the same game. We are 4-1, but with a percentage of 102. Good we have the points, but in all of the wins, we have had patches that were simply atrocious.
After the first half heroics, I sat down to watch the second half hoping this might be the time where we really blow someone away. Could not believe what I was watching after that. First rule I was taught - if you have a good lead at half time, you go out there hell-bent on kicking the first two goals in the 3rd, with the aim of crushing the opposition's spirit.
The same thing has happened against the Bulldogs, Hawks and Power - we have precious little run to take the ball from one end of the ground to the other. Also happened against the Suns, but we had no lead on the scoreboard to buffer us. Its like we lose all sense of what put us in front in the first place, and we go into some sort of defensive, stodgy mode. If you think about it, we did the same in many games last year, but without first building the big lead.
Quite simply, we need
(1) far more backline run, ie Williams and Saad. McGovern will help, as will Stocker.
(2) more pressure around the ball in play - centre clearances are one thing, but our long bombs to the wing come back with monotonous regularity, as we are out-worked on the ground
(3) we need more goals from the midfield - we are getting almost none because there is no dash out of the backline.
(4) a sense of ruthless hunger (not the defensive mindset that seems to happen as soon as the opposition kicks 2 or more in a row)
Can't believe that I am complaining about a 4-1 start.....
Re: AFL Rd 5 2022 Post Game Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LygonStreetLimbo - 04-17-2022
Stocker for Setterfield?
Plowman got pantsed by Breust in Round 3, and it was this that sparked them.
Not quick enough against that type of opponent, and not tall enough to match a key forward.
Not sure that we can have both Owies and Durdin in the same team, though both are contributing. Yes I remember the 3 amigos of a decade ago, or “Setanta’s little helpers”
But Jack S forward instead of one of them?